the heart is the one muscle you absolutely must have in best condition and can't do without if you want a long & active life. so makes sense that cardio is the way to go if you brohans & chicas can think with any logic & common sense.
the heart is the one muscle you absolutely must have in best condition and can't do without if you want a long & active life. so makes sense that cardio is the way to go if you brohans & chicas can think with any logic & common sense.
Mr. Obvious wrote:
At this point I am doing weightlifting and the extent of my running is limited to a warm-up or cool-down effort.
I have always loved running. I like being outside and the feeling of freedom.
I am doing weightlifting because I needed to regain strength after breaking my leg.
How did you break your leg?
recently started to like weight lifting more. It's less stressful and easier to see results
your like a triathlete! except choosing to be mediocre at 2 things instead of 3.
gym halpert wrote:
Why do you have to choose?
I won't claim to be elite or even sub-elite, but I can take most local road races in the 15:4x-16:00 range and I also love to hit the gym 5-6 times per week.
Granted I run heavy (6'1" 190lbs), but I still get to experience the agony of hanging on for the last mile and the pain of gutting out high rep squats sets.
Don't choose.
Do both.
???
Profit
*you're*
You're 190 lbs and run 16:00 for 5k?
That's kind of impressive in my book.
High-volume running and serious weight training are incompatible—you have to choose one or the other or you won't get good results from either.
TAA wrote:
Mr. Obvious wrote:At this point I am doing weightlifting and the extent of my running is limited to a warm-up or cool-down effort.
I have always loved running. I like being outside and the feeling of freedom.
I am doing weightlifting because I needed to regain strength after breaking my leg.
How did you break your leg?
broke my femur in a skydiving accident. Also a syndesmosis injury of my ankle. A rod through the femur w/ screws at top and bottom and two screws in the ankle to hold my tibia and fibula together.
relative to others i'm "better" at weight lifting.
at the most basic level they are quite similar in terms of moving the body against resistance. yet they elicit a different physiological and therefore psychological response. i have what people like to call an addictive personality, whatever the hell that is, and probably because of that i enjoy the hormones that are released from more strenuous endurance exercise.
i just wish i could run as long as i can ride a bike without getting hurt.
the feeling of being strong from lifting weights is nice.
being able to do thousands of reps that are near identical when running allows for a super fine tuning of how to move effectively, which is pretty cool too.
running: significantly increased endorphins + decreased testosterone
lifting: moderately increased endorphins + spike in testosterone
as a man, i should prefer the latter, but as an addict i prefer the former!
So I've had a rather unique athletic arc...
5'6 140lb distance runner, all-state in cross and track. D1 College Scholarship (1996). 4:27 mile, 9:32 2mile, 15:47 road 5k, 1:09 half-marathon, 2:32 marathon, top 100 at Chicago. 100+ miles a week, upwards of 140. Pretty much ok for a short stockier runner.
Turned 30. Stopped running as much, started lifting a lot. Got up to 165lb still running 30-50 miles a week. Got very lean, placed 5th in my wt class at a bodybuilding show...got a nice broad sword as a prize....:)
At 165lb I was deadlifting 350, squatting 300, benching 250.
Now I'm 36, in the Army, still run and lift. Do both because I PREFER to do BOTH. I can still break 18:00 for a 5k, which isn't great by Letsrun standards but still a good time on the road (I can still win local races and have always been the best runner in my unit). I lift, but again not as much as in '08-10. Still...deadlift 335, bench 240, squat 280. At 36 I'll take those numbers both running and lifting and still able to improve in small windows.
And for those who say you can't do high volume running and LIFT...here:
http://www.liftheavyrunlong.com/50-400-club/
Do what you like to do. Do one. Do both. Play racquetball. Just enjoy it. Screw everyone else...:)
Alan
I like both, but for very different reasons. I run because I enjoy it and because I like to compete. I lift weights because it is exercise - that is, it is the best way to turn my body into a sexy beast. I enjoy running more, but I enjoy the results of weight lifting more.
osisk wrote:
bro science wrote:Nope, Im 180 and dead/squat 300, bench around 210. Just asking the OP to start off conservatively. Ive ran mid distance and never once got close to feeling how I do after lifting hard. Running near maximum effort is nowhere near as hard as lifting 3 heavy sets, nearly blacking out, and having your heart beat out of your chest.
What are you even saying "nope" to? Nothing you said was opposed to anything I just said. You just confirmed that you are maxing out at 1-1.5x your bodyweight. Furthermore, the truth now shows to be even worse - your numbers are nowhere near 1.5x. How long have you been lifting?
300 squat and deadlift is like 1.7x BW. And those are what I rep for 3 sets of 5. My bench is lower due to shoulder injury. 210-215ish. I have no shame. Most runners can't lift.
osisk wrote:
bro science wrote:Weight lifting gets my heart and lungs moving way harder than any running, even hard running. Try going and doing 5-10 squats or deadlifts for multiple sets at 1-1.5x body weight and get back to me.
Lol 1-1.5x body weight? That should be a warmup type of effort. Or are you a middle school female?
What a badass you are....
GoldenMiles wrote:
What a badass you are....
That response makes absolutely no sense. If I had been bragging about my own abilities, then maybe your response would be appropriate. Learn to read.
osisk wrote:
GoldenMiles wrote:What a badass you are....
That response makes absolutely no sense. If I had been bragging about my own abilities, then maybe your response would be appropriate. Learn to read.
Maybe you're right. Point noted.
Because it is a more useful skill. I am more apt to need to run somewhere or away from danger than to lift something heavy
Yo Momma wrote:
Because it is a more useful skill. I am more apt to need to run somewhere or away from danger than to lift something heavy
u wot? i love running probably more than lifting. lifting has WAY more practical uses though. when I lift heavy, the list of things I can do better gets longer and longer. when i am weak and skinny, i can run fast, and that's about where it ends.
bro science wrote:
Yo Momma wrote:Because it is a more useful skill. I am more apt to need to run somewhere or away from danger than to lift something heavy
u wot? i love running probably more than lifting. lifting has WAY more practical uses though. when I lift heavy, the list of things I can do better gets longer and longer. when i am weak and skinny, i can run fast, and that's about where it ends.
Gonna have to side with bro science here. Unless you have no car, you will probably put your lifting skills into more everyday use than your running skills.
Just FYI...
I've gotten the same general fatigue from lifting as from a hard interval workout.
400s at mile pace or faster with same time recovery.
20 rep squat with your 10RM....that's fun...:)
squats 10 sets of 10 at your 12-15RM
5 rep each incline press then chest supported row at your 8-12RM just rotate as fast as you can for 10-15 minutes...basically doing 1 set of each every 45-60s...very fun..:)
Best of both words:
60s shuttle sprint
20 burpees (w/2 pushups, and a jump into the air)
20 v-ups
10 pullups
50 crunches
Repeat 5 times.
Alan
I do both. Of course body building and competitive running are incompatible, but I believe that you can have a lean muscular body and still run fast, without having to look like a twig or the hulk.
Strength training allows you to get stronger without actually getting bigger, so you can strength train and still run.