Finn is NOT the AJR holder for 5 & 10

age 19 = a junior

You answered your own question.

J.R. wrote:

age 19 = a junior

You answered your own question.

Wrong, he is right she's not a jr.

J.R. wrote:

age 19 = a junior

You answered your own question.

I thought the same thing, J.R. This would make the most sense. However, I asked this same question in a thread right after Finn's 15:26 and the consensus was that if you turned 20 during the calendar year, then you were not eligible for Jr. Records. This seems absolutely ridiculous and would give a huge advantage to athletes born early in the year, but that is what LRC said (in fact, it was Rojo himself). I find this humorous because in the write-up today, they say that she does have the AJR. I would still like some more confirmation. Rojo, please reply. Either the article needs changed or we need more clarification. Mods, please change the title if necessary. Here is the thread from last month:

Here are USATF's criteria for selection this year for the World Junior Championships in Oregon:

http://www.usatf.org/Events---Calendar/2014/IAAF-World-Junior-Championships/Athlete-Info/Selection-Procedures.aspx

4. Be under the age of 20, but at least 16 years of age on December 31, 2014 (only athletes born in 1995, 1996, 1997, and 1998 can be entered).

If she turns 20 before 12/31/2014 then she's not eligible.

162430 wrote:

J.R. wrote:

age 19 = a junior

You answered your own question.

I thought the same thing, J.R. This would make the most sense. However, I asked this same question in a thread right after Finn's 15:26 and the consensus was that if you turned 20 during the calendar year, then you were not eligible for Jr. Records. This seems absolutely ridiculous and would give a huge advantage to athletes born early in the year, but that is what LRC said (in fact, it was Rojo himself). I find this humorous because in the write-up today, they say that she does have the AJR. I would still like some more confirmation. Rojo, please reply. Either the article needs changed or we need more clarification. Mods, please change the title if necessary. Here is the thread from last month:

http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=5775965

Ritz would have been the AJR in the 5k his frosh year if he was only 2 days younger because of that rule.

J.R. wrote:

age 19 = a junior

You answered your own question.

J.R. in another thread you previously stated it wasn't going to count as a record. The rules are what they are. If you want to start your own list of junior records that only require the athlete to be 19 at the time the record is set that is fine. However, as far as any recognized governing body goes, Finn is too old to set AJR and LetsRun has the wrong info in their preview.

Yes, I just searched this myself instead of being lazy. Completely ridiculous and arbitrary, but rules are rules. Some kids can set junior records at age 19 years, 364 days whereas others are ineligible at 19 years, 1 day. Absolutely ridiculous.

162430 wrote:

Yes, I just searched this myself instead of being lazy. Completely ridiculous and arbitrary, but rules are rules. Some kids can set junior records at age 19 years, 364 days whereas others are ineligible at 19 years, 1 day. Absolutely ridiculous.

Ritz and Webb birthdays were 14 days apart. However Ritz was born Dec 30 so was no longer a junior while Webb had an extra year.

It's probably done this way for administrative reasons. Imagine World Juniors in Oregon from July 22-27 and an athlete turning 20 on July 24. It would look silly if they could run the 100 final on July 23 but then be ineligible for the 200 heats on the 24th.

interweb is your friend wrote:

162430 wrote:

Yes, I just searched this myself instead of being lazy. Completely ridiculous and arbitrary, but rules are rules. Some kids can set junior records at age 19 years, 364 days whereas others are ineligible at 19 years, 1 day. Absolutely ridiculous.

Ritz and Webb birthdays were 14 days apart. However Ritz was born Dec 30 so was no longer a junior while Webb had an extra year.

It's probably done this way for administrative reasons. Imagine World Juniors in Oregon from July 22-27 and an athlete turning 20 on July 24. It would look silly if they could run the 100 final on July 23 but then be ineligible for the 200 heats on the 24th.

Which is exactly the reason why it is as it is. From an administration perspective, which is what record-keeping is, it would be an administrative nightmare to keep tabs of exactly when prospective record-breakers birthdays were throughout the year. While no system is fair (yes it is an advantage to be born after the track season, not before it) a line has to be drawn somewhere. J.R. is an idiot - it has never been (unless in backwater USA) a matter of being 19yo, rather the year in which you are 19 prior to Jan 1st of the following year(in other words 19 on or before Dec.31 of a given year), if you turn 20yo in that year, you are now an age-group Senior. Everyone else follows this rule, except HS and NCAA obsessed USA people who are too stupid to understand it, as it is very simple - a calendar year, wherin it doesn't matter when your personal birthday falls throughout that year.

canspo wrote:

J.R. wrote:

age 19 = a junior

You answered your own question.

J.R. in another thread you previously stated it wasn't going to count as a record. The rules are what they are. If you want to start your own list of junior records that only require the athlete to be 19 at the time the record is set that is fine. However, as far as any recognized governing body goes, Finn is too old to set AJR and LetsRun has the wrong info in their preview.

When J.R. and Rojo go to dinner, is it table for two or table for one.

162430 wrote:

Yes, I just searched this myself instead of being lazy. Completely ridiculous and arbitrary, but rules are rules. Some kids can set junior records at age 19 years, 364 days whereas others are ineligible at 19 years, 1 day. Absolutely ridiculous.

Not true in practice... The gap is smaller than that since there are no outdoor races in America in December, and most aren't aiming to peak indoors until after the new year starts.

J.R. wrote:

age 19 = a junior

You answered your own question.

This is one of the most basic questions about our sport. You are wrong.

Thoroughbred horses all share an official birthday no matter when they are actually born. Foaled above the equator and it's Jan one while below it's August first.

Thus the breeding season usually starts in mid to late February. Thoroughbred horses have a gestation period of about 340-342 days and a general variation of +/- two weeks. So an extremely short carry of 320 and a bred date of 15 Feb yields a 1 Jan birth.

So if you want your little human brother or sister to have all the advantage as an age group athlete your parents should wait till April 15th or so to start the 38 week process.

Flagpole can give us the skinny of tax advantages of late December births!!

Embarrassing the mistakes on this site.

canspo wrote:

J.R. in another thread you previously stated it wasn't going to count as a record.

I said no such thing.

Whatever is stated by the rules, Finn is a junior until she turns 20.

162430 wrote:

J.R. wrote:

age 19 = a junior

You answered your own question.

I thought the same thing, J.R. This would make the most sense. However, I asked this same question in a thread right after Finn's 15:26 and the consensus was that if you turned 20 during the calendar year, then you were not eligible for Jr. Records. This seems absolutely ridiculous and would give a huge advantage to athletes born early in the year

Right. However, whether or not she is eligible based on the archaic and arbitrary rules, Finn is a junior, until she turns 20.

J.R. wrote:

Whatever is stated by the rules, Finn is a junior until she turns 20.

Damn you're an idiot. You are flat-out wrong.

You are not eligible for Junior competition or records if you turn 20 in the same year.

That is the rules.

If your 20th birthday is December 31 you would not be eligible to compete as a junior that entire year.

It doesn't matter if you were 19 years old the day you set a record.

Like Marc Davis was when as a redshirt freshman he ran 13:32.

Or when Ritzenhein ran under 13:30 as a freshman but turned 19 in December that year.

Not a Junior.

When in a hole...stop digging.

The rules are the rules and you apparently do not know them.