11.42 seconds away from sub 4
11.42 seconds away from sub 4
well that sucks. Now Matthew Maton from Summit HS in Bend Oregon is my favorite for the Adidas Dream Mile in 4:04.
Ohmygosh wrote:
11.42 seconds away from sub 4
Really?? 10.42, obviously. Still think he can do it; he just had a bad day. Fisher, Haney and Faure in the dream mile will be fun to watch. I think one of them has it in them. Haney'll come back from this.
What were his splits? did he go out too fast?
fadsf adsf ads wrote:
What were his splits? did he go out too fast?
anyone? wondering if he went out too fast, or just had a bad day.
Splits were 60, 2:00, 3:03
He opened with perfect 4:00 pacing and couldnt hold on.
Spllitssss wrote:
Splits were 60, 2:00, 3:03
He opened with perfect 4:00 pacing and couldnt hold on.
That's simply not true. The rabbit was tyring to hit 153 in this one (i think he hit 155). YOur splits are for 809, so subtract about 1.4 seconds from those for his 400 meter splits.
The fact of hte matter is he was barely holding on at halfway and that's because everyone in this field was being paced to run at least 355, not 4:00. 9 of the 13 finishers did exactly that - broke 3:55.
11 of the 13 finishers ran 3:57. Andy Bayer, a former NCAA champ, died in this one and still ran 359.
This was a race that wasn't perfect for sub 4:00. It was perfect for sub 3:55.
fadsf adsf ads wrote:
What were his splits? did he go out too fast?
We had a nice interview with Haney after the race. He feels he's in better fitness than last year when he ran 3:44.
It just was hard to hang on to the back of the field as it was super fast.
We splitted him at 2:00 for the first 809 yards and he was already losing contact despite going out that fast.
Interview below:
One last thing. Haney is in the midst of heavy training. This race isn't what he's focused on. His focus is the CA state meet.
Good post race article on him. i just found it here:
"They just kept going and going, and I finally just cracked," he said. "... I went through 800 meters in two minutes, and I was still six meters off the pack -- and I was on a four-minute pace.
Yep, he could not latch on to anyone who wouold take him through the first 3 laps appropriate for a sub-4 performance.
The same thing happened to Elise Cranny. She was working hard to stay on contact with the trailing group, and was so spent by the last lap slowed up considerably.
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http://www.usatf.tv/gprofile.php?mgroup_id=45365&do=videos&video_id=117009
LetsRun.com wrote:
One last thing. Haney is in the midst of heavy training. This race isn't what he's focused on. His focus is the CA state meet.
I doubt he's in the midst of heavy training considering the CA state meet is in 5-6 days, and that's not to take away from him either, as he's a big talent and a good kid.
He ran 3:44-1500 about a year ago. As far as I can tell, his season best for 2014 at the 1600 was 4:13.33 going into Pre. For 3200 it was 8:46, with a huge negative split at Arcadia, so the strength is there. He'd only broken 4:20 twice this season, with two 4:13s. He's only run just fast enough to win all season, which shows a lot of restraint on his part.
It's very difficult to run 15 seconds faster for a 1600/mile type distance than you have for a season that started a few months ago. Blake can still potentially break 4 this season, but his legs weren't race-sharp for a 3:55 mile pace.
Not the sharpest knife in the drawer IMHO
Pre shouldn't allow high schoolers to run if they are only going to embarrass themselves. Debate the pacing all you want, but the fact of the matter is Haney didn't break 4 or at least come close.
Webb was on a different level in HS, going into this weekend there was no way one could reasonably predict Haney going sub-4 or very close to it. Same goes for Cranny.
it looked like he ran it alone after the first 400m so it must have been tough. i think he can still pull it off at the dream mile but he might have some work to do.
Realism wrote:
Pre shouldn't allow high schoolers to run if they are only going to embarrass themselves.
No meet should let anyone run who is only going to embarrass himself/herself. What does being a high schooler have to do with it? Pros bomb races too. But you don't know that it's going to happen until it has already happened.
Realism wrote:
going into this weekend there was no way one could reasonably predict Haney going sub-4 or very close to it.
...other than the fact that he has already come very close to it.
Anyway, it makes perfect sense for the meet to let the kid run. They get big publicity if he does run sub 4. If he doesn't, they don't lose anything. Sure, they could have held him out and put another pro in, but they'd already filled the field with their first choice of athletes. Having a high schooler and the potential story that goes along with that is a better choice than sticking in their 16th choice pro into the heat.
Didn't Magness and Lukas (2 miles) have their own pacers? Couldn't they set this up better?
Remember that is was windy also, so coming through three laps by yourself would be an ordeal and a half.
Also, Webb ran 3:59 indoors. There should be a prerequisite for the same calendar year, like 4:02/3 or something to qualify for this.
Marcel Marseille wrote:
Didn't Magness and Lukas (2 miles) have their own pacers? Couldn't they set this up better?
Remember that is was windy also, so coming through three laps by yourself would be an ordeal and a half.
Also, Webb ran 3:59 indoors. There should be a prerequisite for the same calendar year, like 4:02/3 or something to qualify for this.
There already is an unofficial prerequisite. In recent years, Montoya had already run 4:01, Haney had run the equivalent of 4:02, Verzbicas had torched every indoor and outdoor record he wanted, etc. I agree with a previous poster that it makes sense allowing a potential sub-4 high schooler into the meet. If they weren't even close to being able to break 4 it would be dumb, but the potential publicity the meet would get if someone broke 4 is substantial.
LetsRun.com wrote:
We splitted him at 2:00 for the first 809 yards and he was already losing contact despite going out that fast.
Did you splitted him for the first 880 yards as well? What was his half-mile split?
a 4:02 equivalent from a year ago (and his best mile time this year being 4:13) does in no way suggest sub-4/4:01 shape. and it showed.