OP - stay away from the big corporate giants. You'll be just another drone in a sea of average people getting a little bit of your soul sucked away every day you show up.
OP - stay away from the big corporate giants. You'll be just another drone in a sea of average people getting a little bit of your soul sucked away every day you show up.
On board with jamin,
If they were redundant, they would not exist. Don't you think any company has ever tried to do without them? When they did they got beat by the companies that had them.
Look, I know it is 2014 and it is hard to believe that sales and marketing people are still needed. But the real point is most companies make products that are no better than their competitors. They can't make their products cheaper either. It's not that they don't want to just that they can't. What they can do is sell a little harder.
jamin wrote:
Top-tier corporations want good-looking people. Walk inside the skyscraper of a top-tier corporation and all the front desk ladies will be supermodels and all the men will be 6'2".
False. I know a good sum of people working for GE, BAE, Lockheed Martin, Booze Allen Hamilton, Northrup Grumman, and Boeing. They ain't pretty.
In the tech industry:
* People straight out of target schools for the recruiting program
* People who interview well at large recruiting events
* People who are recommended by an employee
* People who they poach from other companies
It's kind of hard to get through the mess of application if you don't have one of those four things going for you. But if you can even find an acquaintance who works for one of the companies you can probably convince them to recommend you, since often you get a bonus if you recommend someone and they make it through the process.
There should be some whoms in there. My bad.
jamin wrote:
Top-tier corporations want good-looking people. Walk inside the skyscraper of a top-tier corporation and all the front desk ladies will be supermodels and all the men will be 6'2".
That may have been true at some point. As a 6'2" white male, let me tell you those days are gone. Every application to a major company includes 4 "optional" questions: are you female?, are you native?, are you a visible minority? and are you handicapped?
Actually, I just wish all that stuff didn't matter. Look at the numbers in many companies compared to overall population stats. I guess it depends where you live. In many places reverse discrimination rears it's ugly head. The bitch is you can't even complain about it except on anonymous message boards.
Bgates.. wrote:
It's misleading to list them as dropouts. Bill Gates dropped out after having his big idea. It's not like he's a "drop out". He just had something better to do which in a rare case like his would be seen as a plus.
Great Point!
I wish wrote:
That may have been true at some point. As a 6'2" white male, let me tell you those days are gone. Every application to a major company includes 4 "optional" questions: are you female?, are you native?, are you a visible minority? and are you handicapped?
Actually, I just wish all that stuff didn't matter. Look at the numbers in many companies compared to overall population stats. I guess it depends where you live. In many places reverse discrimination rears it's ugly head. The bitch is you can't even complain about it except on anonymous message boards.
That stuff doesn't matter, they just have to ask it. What does matter in management: being tall, good-looking, not bald, being white or cultivating a "white" perception of yourself, going to a good school for your MBA. Look at the (non-founder) executives of Fortune 500 firms.
> Do large, globally-recognized companies like General Electric, Honda, Kodak, etc. hire only the top .05% cream of the crop individuals?
No. The top 0.05% cream of the crop do not want to work at the companies you listed.
> I sometimes see job postings from huge global companies like the ones listed above but can't imagine a place like Johnson and Johnson responding to a monster.com resume posting.
If you see a job posting for one of these companies on Monster or in the newspaper, it's very likely done as part of the process of getting H1-B visas, or a green card for a current employee. They need to advertise to show an effort to find a qualified US citizen for the position, but then they can say they received no applications from qualified individuals. These are not growing companies.
The TOP-TIER Major corporations all hire dopers. If you think the top 0.5% cream of the crop individuals aren't doping you're a fool. Marion never failed a test. Lance was clean. Watch "The Dirtiest Race Ever" - they're ALL on the juice. You want to succeed? Call a doctor.
I can speak only for Computer Engineering and Computer Science graduates. Upon graduation, Top 20 grads, or grads in the vicinity of hi-tech centers, typically start their own companies. Some join an existing startup.
The old pardigm of IBM and the likes is all dead. These guys employ throngs of off shore and HB visa cheap labor. If you are a US citizen and reasonably good, you can get hired. A more usual path is to contract first and get hired on. You may prefer to keep contractring, self-incorporate and work 1099. This way, you get paid for every hour you work and can even work at multiple companies simultaneously.
Guidance wrote:
Hello
Do large, globally-recognized companies like General Electric, Honda, Kodak, etc. hire only the top .05% cream of the crop individuals?
You're pretty vague. If you're going to Honda and not a mechanical or electrical engineer they don't give a rip, so they're hiring however's the cheapest. So if you're in their core line of work, and your type can't be gotten in China where you're cheap, then they'll look at hiring a US resource. If you're a support function in a TOP_TIER corporation you have basically zero change of getting hired even if you were 4.0 and blew the dean. Your job is going to someone willing to work for 1/10th what you need to live one.
If you aren't in one of the rare in-demand fields you're far better off going for something other than Fortune 100.
Java programmers are a dime-a-dozen. We use offshores, high school dropouts, trade school certs, ex-Army IT guys, and Liberal Arts degreeds for Java programming and product Q/A. We hire CS/EE grads for Android/Java R&D specifically with backgrounds in quantum computing, GPU design, digital design, and mathematics for 3-D graphics.
"Who do 'TOP-TIER' Major corporations hire?"
Some of them tend to hire people who know when to use "whom."
xenonscreams wrote:
In the tech industry:
* People straight out of target schools for the recruiting program
* People who interview well at large recruiting events
* People who are recommended by an employee
* People who they poach from other companies
It's kind of hard to get through the mess of application if you don't have one of those four things going for you. But if you can even find an acquaintance who works for one of the companies you can probably convince them to recommend you, since often you get a bonus if you recommend someone and they make it through the process.
^^^ This.
Plus: You need to living where they are located. I teach in Silicon Valley and the companies scoop up our grads, tech or liberal arts. They want an articulate army of pliable youth.