I know 3 guys with pr's between 8:57-9:05
8:57 guy ran 1:50, 3:47, 14:10
9:01 guy ran 3:49, 14:05, 29:30
9:05 guy ran 3:47, 14:15, 29:50
I know 3 guys with pr's between 8:57-9:05
8:57 guy ran 1:50, 3:47, 14:10
9:01 guy ran 3:49, 14:05, 29:30
9:05 guy ran 3:47, 14:15, 29:50
RunWild wrote:
There is a large range that 9:00 will compare to in the steeple. The IAAF might be towards the faster end of it, if not slightly faster if you are not meant for the steeple. On the other end, there are guys running 9:00 for steeple that might not even be able to break 4:05 for 1500
This sounds pretty ridiculous to me. There's no way a guy that can't break 4:05 can run 9 flat. If each hurdle takes off 1 second, that comes out to 35 seconds (and that's assuming you have good steeple form). With flawless form, and not taking into account water pits, that's an 8:25 3k. Of course we know that it converts to faster than 8:25 for 3k. Let's say around 8:15 (which is actually around what the IAAF list has it at). 8:15 is 4:07 per 1500. How can a 4:05 guy average something equivalent to 4:07 pace?
With that said, i'd say it takes anywhere between a 3:47 - 3:49 guy to run 9:00 in the steeple
I think it's reasonable to kind of separate this out in to two different questions.
Most people seem to be answering the question of what would a person who ran 9:00 for the steeple run in a 1500m race. This will obviously range pretty widely.
Some people (e.g. those citing the IAAF tables)are answering the question of equivalent quality. Another way to think of this is what would the approximate time on the yearly 1500m list be for the same place on the list as for a 9:00 steeple rates on the steeple list.
Or twisted another way: If you can run a 9:00 steeple, how fast would you need to be able to run a 1500m to choose the 1500m at your conference/state/national/whatever meet instead of the steeple if you could only run one?
idk wrote:
With that said, i'd say it takes anywhere between a 3:47 - 3:49 guy to run 9:00 in the steeple
This is utter horseshit. Why would you need to be able to run 3:49 or faster to break 9 in a steeple? My team had two sub 9 guys, one at 8:47 and the other at 8:52. Neither guy ran under 3:50 or the equivalent mile time despite racing it 3+ times a year. The 8:47 guy ended up with a 3:50 pr and the 8:52 guy ended up with a 3:54 pr. It all depends on whether you're more of a 5k/10k guy or 1500 guy. The steeple has both types.
Had Some wrote:
I think it's reasonable to kind of separate this out in to two different questions.
Most people seem to be answering the question of what would a person who ran 9:00 for the steeple run in a 1500m race. This will obviously range pretty widely.
Some people (e.g. those citing the IAAF tables)are answering the question of equivalent quality. Another way to think of this is what would the approximate time on the yearly 1500m list be for the same place on the list as for a 9:00 steeple rates on the steeple list.
Or twisted another way: If you can run a 9:00 steeple, how fast would you need to be able to run a 1500m to choose the 1500m at your conference/state/national/whatever meet instead of the steeple if you could only run one?
This is basically what I am eluding to. How good is a 9:00 in 1500 terms
Johnnycarson wrote:
Had Some wrote:I think it's reasonable to kind of separate this out in to two different questions.
Most people seem to be answering the question of what would a person who ran 9:00 for the steeple run in a 1500m race. This will obviously range pretty widely.
Some people (e.g. those citing the IAAF tables)are answering the question of equivalent quality. Another way to think of this is what would the approximate time on the yearly 1500m list be for the same place on the list as for a 9:00 steeple rates on the steeple list.
Or twisted another way: If you can run a 9:00 steeple, how fast would you need to be able to run a 1500m to choose the 1500m at your conference/state/national/whatever meet instead of the steeple if you could only run one?
This is basically what I am eluding to. How good is a 9:00 in 1500 terms
Alluding
3:51
Anybody have time to dig through last years annual lists, perhaps? Of course would need to keep in mind lower participation in the steeple could mean a 9flat steeple is at the same "position" compared to a much faster 1500.
Maybe a better way to compare is distance off the world record.
9flat is 1:07 off of the 3000mSC wr. Presumably then it is roughly equivalent to a 1500 that in 33.5 seconds off of the world record, or about 3:59.
This actually sounds about right to me. Of the four teammates I had in college who were equally serious about steeple and 1500, they had prs of:
9:07/3:56
9:10/3:54
8:50/3;52 (he also pole vaulted 16', wtf...?)
9:02/3:58
So there seems to be some variation, but that is to be expected since the steeple requires an additional skill besides just running. My guess is at the lower levels, people do relatively well in the 1500 compared to steeple because they suck at the barriers. At the higher levels, time per lap behind wr pace is probably much more consistent.
Perhaps a better way would be to convert times to seconds and find the times as a percentage of wr pace. This wouldn't work with widely different distances (ie 200 versus 10,000m comparison), but should work with similar distances.
I ran 9:10 and only ran 4:05 1500. I had good technique though.
Good steepler rule: double your 1500 time and add 1 minute.
4:00+4:00+1:00= 9:00
Good steepler rule: double your 1500 time and add 1 minute.
4:00+4:00+1:00= 9:00
I was a 1500 guy that ran 3:48. Tried the steeple for a couple seasons but never got faster than 9:01 and I don't think I was bad at it
Beg to differ wrote:
I was a 1500 guy that ran 3:48. Tried the steeple for a couple seasons but never got faster than 9:01 and I don't think I was bad at it
Same here, I wasn't able to break 9:10 until I got down to 3:50 (my PR's were 3:49, 9:06)
Slowpuke wrote:
1500 Metres 3:49.00
5000 Metres 14:00.26
3000 Metres Steeplechase 8:35.09
PRs of a guy I ran against. He was more of a strength runner (eventually ran 2:20 marathon in his late 30s) than a speedster. But based on above, 9 flat for SC would be around 3:55 to 4:99
Thanks for this. My 1500m time is 4.83, so it's useful to know my projected 3k steeple time
Gettin Whet wrote:
Good steepler rule: double your 1500 time and add 1 minute.
4:00+4:00+1:00= 9:00
A percentage is better, considering for different ranges of times.
7:53.63 / 3:26.00 = 2.2992
8:58.81 / 3:50.46 = 2:3380
Based on this, I revise my estimate to 3:55 for men, and stick with the 3:51 for women.
3:49
200milestograceland wrote:
I would say in the range of 3:48-3:50
Agreed
J.R. wrote:
Gettin Whet wrote:Good steepler rule: double your 1500 time and add 1 minute.
4:00+4:00+1:00= 9:00
A percentage is better, considering for different ranges of times.
7:53.63 / 3:26.00 = 2.2992
8:58.81 / 3:50.46 = 2:3380
Based on this, I revise my estimate to 3:55 for men, and stick with the 3:51 for women.
This is incorrect. The WR is 7:53.63 by Saif Saaeed Shaheen. Saif Saaeed Shaheen's 1500 pr is 3:33.51.
3:33.51+3:33.51+1:00= 8:07.02. Good steepler add 1 minute, great steepler add 46 seconds.
NY guys run the 3000 Steeple in a good number of invitational and championship meets. Guys good in the Steeple have Steeple PRs close to their 3200 meter PRs. A 3200 meter time of 9:00 corresponds roughly to 3:50-3:53 for 1500 meters.