Geal-Ruith: the Triple Jump Thread

More on Christian Taylor (from the front):

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/09/24/sport/christian-taylor-triple-jump-olympics-athletics/index.html

Flo'da boy wrote:

I really think the TJ GOAT is a battle between Jon Edwards and Viktor Sanayev. The former has a gold and a silver and the WR, but the latter has THREE golds and a silver, and I believe held the WR at one point (?). The Georgian has the edge in my opinion, that's the kind of domination we saw from Carl Lewis in the LJ

He set it twice in winning his first OG gold medal:

"The World Record was broken in the Men's Triple Jump five times by three athletes, including the final jump of the event. Surprisingly the Top 6 jumpers in the final jumped further than the pre-Olympic world record."

"The major success came in 1968, when he won at the USSR Championships and at the 1968 Summer Olympics, where on October 17 he set the World Record twice: to 17.23 m and to 17.39 m. On the same date four years later Saneyev set the World Record once again, now in Sukhumi, to 17.44 m."

A pure "power" TJer:

Saneyev was unquestionably the greatest TJer of all time--a title that must always be determined by how an athlete did versus the best competition that was available in his or her day.

Having thought about it more, I completely agree, lease, Saneyev is without question the greatest triple jumper of all time. Powell may have the record, but Lewis is the greatest LJer, and so it is with Edwards and Saneyev.

But I've been doing some research on Saneyev (it's times like these I wish I'd taken Russian in school) and came across a few interesting things over on the Charlie Francis boards, a few of which I already brought up on the Jon Edwards genetic freak thread (a lot of this info came from kitkat aka Mike Hurst who seems to know Saneyev)

Saneyev, when he looked back on his career, realized that he had under-emphasized speed in his training, instead focusing on strength (this seems to be the philosophy of Edwards' coach, though, so it may have worked out). Apparently he was not the fastest of the Soviet triple jumpers, but generally was the best or close to it at the strength, throw, and jump tests.

Saneyev was still very fast.

These sources indicate that he ran the following times:

60m: 6.5

100m: 10.4 (ran 10.8 as 18-19 year old)

150m: 15.9

Source pg 20-23:

http://www.charliefrancis.com/community/showthread.php?6758-Lactate-Threshold-Training/page20

He was not a huge fan of depth jumps (a keystone of Soviet athletic training), but did practice them twice a week

He always finished his sessions with a long jog

Also, it seems that once, when observing some younger athletes doing push ups and pullups, he commented that he wouldn't do more than three in a set because more than that would ruin the explosive possibilities of the exercise! (whether he practiced like this, or merely came to this conclusion after his career, I don not know)

Nifty short video of Mikio Oda doing the triple jump in 1928:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Bbhqq3yxnI

The Japanese had a brief dynasty in the triple jump in the three games prior to WWII. From in Antwerp, Berlin, and Los Angeles they hauled in 3 Golds, 1 Silver and 1 bronze.

Does anyone know if Nobby still posts here? I know he was a big TJ fan

Flo'da boy wrote:Having thought about it more, I completely agree, lease, Saneyev is without question the greatest triple jumper of all time

the tj was a mickey mouse event until mid -'80s when mega talents like banks/conley/simpkins emerged

prior to them the best physical specimen & best jumper was jao

he was robbed of gold in moscow when perfectly legit jump(s) of 17.70+ were called fouls by biased ruskie judges so that the ruskie contender woud win

they claimed some nonsense about jao dragging his trail leg in a funny way during the phases

Saneyev was still very fast.

These sources indicate that he ran the following times:

60m: 6.5

100m: 10.4 (ran 10.8 as 18-19 year old)

150m: 15.9

that 60m time is complete nonsense

mcrae ran 6.50wr in '87

in his wildest dreams was saneyev a 6.5 guy

i don't believe that 100 either

edwards has a 10.4pb & saneyev was not in edwards' speed class

Here is some footage of the Japanese jumpers who found success in the Olympiads prior to WWII:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4CKu6h8A94

It's sad to see that a lot of the links put on this thread up to this point are now broken. It seems the Charlie Francis forums have finally shut down for good, which is sad because there was some really great info on there.

With regards to those times for Saneyev: those are the times Mike Hurst gave. They are only timed to the tenth so maybe they are at the upper end of the time (ie maybe a 6.58 or a 10.49?), or perhaps they were just hand timed and/or used only for personal comparison purposes.

Pichardo (Cuba) 18.06m #3 ALL TIME

Christian Taylor 18.04

Game changer.

18.06:

http://youtu.be/3soZbW_PCBM

Pichardo jumped 18.08 on 5/28

^video for the above

http://youtu.be/7jhaYJiJqvQ

game changer ....

igf-1 lr3 is the real game changer and the

speed it can entail.

that applies to both athletes mentioned.

Husband2, you're second for not stopping it. Liar. You started it and you never fixed it. I will put you in hell if my health deteriorates more. It will make me die anyways. My body can't take this.

Here's a side by side of Christian Taylor's 18.21 compared to JE's 18.29:

https://twitter.com/statman_jon/status/644160619042709504

I didn't realize Edwards had such a massive jump phase for some reason I had supposed that to be his weakness

Old Soviet training film:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8fI18rJLpg

A good article on the basics of triple jump training:

http://speedendurance.com/2013/03/11/progressive-training-for-triple-jump/

Sorry to keep spamming but I keep finding good stuff. Here's a paper by Edwards' coach with very detailed information on his training, his weightlifting in particular:

https://www.iaaf.org/download/downloadnsa?filename=eb80bee7-fc04-4af4-9e17-984495be21a4.pdf&urlslug=the-elastic-strength-development-of-jonathan