LM wrote:
The issue here is not really whether Grunewald deserved the DQ. In fact I don't give a fvck about that right now.
The issue here is the blatant corporate strongarming from Nike.
They petioned for appeal. Denied. Appealed that. Denied. Appealed the appeal. Denied.
Then...a back door meeting and suddenly...a DQ!
That's fvcked up beyond belief. Shitty by USATF, and disgusting by Nike.
Gets it^
Wow Unbelievable wrote:
If Salazar can just steal a result like this, what's the point of racing? Or caring?
I wish I knew how much Salazar was to blame. I'm fine with a coach appealing.
If he was the major motivator in getting Nike involved then that's getting fvcked up on his part.
I largely like Salazar, but if he truly is the one that got Nike involved (and I could easily see AlSal having little to do with it, and it being mainly Nike wanting to get more athletes reppin at WC) then I lose a TON of respect for him.
The other shitty side to this is that NOP athletes are inevitably going to get even more hate than they already do as this WILL trickle over. That sucks.
Would you guys be so up in arms if, say, Brie Felnagle were in Hasay's position and Brie's coach filed a protest, with the exact same outcome...Gabe getting DQ'ed and Brie going to World's?
Just watch the tape in slow motion. What the agent is saying is what appears on the tape.
This is a terrible indictment against Nike.
Hasay should rectify the situation and give up here spot for Worlds is USATF doesn't correct the grievous mistake they have now made at the hands of Nike's appeal. Hasay knows the better racer today soundly beat her.
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examine yourselves wrote:
Would you guys be so up in arms if, say, Brie Felnagle were in Hasay's position and Brie's coach filed a protest, with the exact same outcome...Gabe getting DQ'ed and Brie going to World's?
Yes, absolutely!!!
LM wrote:
Handle the truth wrote:Okay, I agree. But what, ultimately, is your point?
Look, the "sport" you love and follow is a complete fraud. Has been for many, many years. Why don't you understand that?
My point is pretty clear. Corporations putting their muscle and changing the outcomes of a competition is inexcusable.
I'm not exactly sure what you mean by the fraud comment, unless it's referring to the doping issue. Which is a whole different can of worms.
Wise up yourself. There is no "competition" here, id'jit. This is a show. They're selling you a show.
Geezus. Why don't you people grow up finally?
Guys watch the video for yourselves - clearly should not have been a DQ. Crazy stuff.
LM wrote:
The manner is in how they did it. If the judges ruled three times that Grunewald was not deserving of a DQ, they did not believe she deserved to be DQed.
Nike steps in, and suddenly the decision is reversed.
Just because the correct decision has been reached in the end does not mean the process by which the result was arrived at was ethical. If this is allowed to happen unnoticed and unchallenged, it opens the door for these things to happen in the future in situations where the correct decision is not reached.
Do you really think it is an acceptable thing for corporations to step in and strong-arm there way into attempting to change the results of the race?
Gets it^
The Truth Hurts wrote:
She deserved to be DQ'd
I agree.
Sounds like a job for Jeff Gilooly
801 dude wrote:
So, if Rupp ran roughshod over some hapless challenger, he should not be dq-ed?
The point that if he wasn't DQed he would STAY un-DQed.
The hapless challenger wouldn't be able to force a closed-door meeting after both the protest and appeal ruled NO DQ.
no agenda here wrote:
The Truth Hurts wrote:She deserved to be DQ'd
I agree.
Thank you for identifying yourself as a Nike troll.
Jimmy stuart's ( head of officials certification ) email address is stu28bu@gmail.com according to usatf.org. Lets let him know how corrupt his group has become.
staterof theoblivious wrote:
She blatantly smashed right into Hasay
Everything you wrote after this was ignored because you blatantly lied.
Everyone tweet at lance Armstrong about this. He loves cancer survivors and he has tons of connections at Nike. This is the sort of thing he used to pull so if u get him onside of cancer girl we might get some balance on which way nike throws it's weight around.
coach d wrote:
rupp-certified rage-on wrote:You are missing the point SO COMPLETELY that I almost think you a trolling on Nike's behalf.
The POINT, since you are missing it, isn't whether or not Grunewald's actions warranted a DQ. That is a matter of rules, and interpretation of rules.
The POINT is that certain athletes/coaches have access to different influence over that interpretation, and therefore are PLAYING BY A DIFFERENT SET OF RULES than their competition.
Get it?
And that is why we as athletes and coaches need to take the matter up with the US Olympic Committee. Nike is obviously corrupt and USATF is letting them get away with it due to USATF's grandiose ambitions. No distance athlete not with Nike can expect to get any kind of fair treatment.
According to the rumors that have been around t&f for years, USOC came close to decertifying USATF over the 2008 Olympic Trials competition, which were forced to be reopened by Nike after Sacramento had won the competition fair and square. This is why Craig Massback was forced to leave (to Nike, of course) so quickly.
It is now time for USOC to finish the job and force all connections between Nike and USATF to be eliminated immediately under threat of immediate decertification.
If Nike is as powerful S you think , USOC will not help. Go to
www.teamusa.organd click on sponsors
staterof theoblivious wrote:
no agenda here wrote:I agree.
Thank you for identifying yourself as a Nike troll.
People like you are the PROBLEM with this message board.
I don't have anything to do with anybody. I'm just some old runner who likes running. What I saw on the video were 3 runners running single file around a track. The third place girl tripped the second place girl as she was passing on the curve.
In my opinion, that should be a disqualification.
We all know contact happens when runners are packed up, but this girl had absolutely no reason to be close enough to trip a runner she was trying to pass.
rupp-certified rage-on wrote:
LOL at the obvious Nike employee posts stating to appear on these threads.
THIS
lllllllllllllllppplpl wrote:
Guys watch the video for yourselves - clearly should not have been a DQ. Crazy stuff.
Agreed.
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