HASAY GOT ROBBED

run806 wrote:

Unfortunate to watch grunewald pull that move on hasay in the 3000m. Watched it live on tv, don't understand her reasoning behind that move. Was asked about it post race interview, and didn't mention anything about it either. Unclassy move grunewald. Would've been interesting to see how hasay would have placed if she didnt get trampled.

Have you ever considered working in journalism?

Don't, if I have to go somewhere else to find out what happened you are wasting my time

I watched the race. I thought that Hasay looked like she bailed out mentally on the finishing effort as soon as the contact occurred. Rowbury just kept kicking after GG had contact with her. There are plenty of officials at Nationals. One of them could have raised a flag on the contact if he or she thought the contact deserved a DQ.

I'm 100% with Ruth Wysocki. Hall of Famer, T&F legend.

Hasay is a little kewpie doll who gets way too much attention. 5:18 at the mile with a 70 last 400 ... enjoy your plane ride home, sweetie.

My point is that the contact occured in open territory whete GG had no reason to come into contact with any of the other racers. The racers were strung out and GG had plenty of room to go around anyone in front of her.

Did Lagat amd Hill and Rupp run into the racers they were lapping? No, they didn't and there was a lot less room to run around the lapped racers.

So STFU with your idiotic blather.

GG should be DQd for the same reasons Merga was. Sh!T racing.

redux wrote:

My point is that the contact occured in open territory whete GG had no reason to come into contact with any of the other racers. The racers were strung out and GG had plenty of room to go around anyone in front of her.

Did Lagat amd Hill and Rupp run into the racers they were lapping? No, they didn't and there was a lot less room to run around the lapped racers.

So STFU with your idiotic blather.

GG should be DQd for the same reasons Merga was. Sh!T racing.

And the main point is that Hasay just should never have let the pace go out that slow. She played right in GGs and Rowbury's hands. Even so, Hasay was dying on the last lap and GG was running a 30 second last 200m. GG misjudged it, and it didn't change the outcome of the race.

"Did lag at and Hill and Rupp run into racers they were lapping?" No, but Rupp got tangled up with Hill when Hill moved out to pass the runner in front of him - and Rupp gave him a hard push. I don't see anyone filing a protest on that.

If Rupp missed the team, then there definitely would have been a protest. Hill moved out into Rupp, and deserved that shove.

So a slow initial pace means people dont have to follow rules? A 5:18 in a pack doesn't mean running people over is ok when they are all in open territory. I will repeat the fact since you fail to grasp reality--Hasay was run down by GG when both were in open terrirory and GG could have not initiated contact. Got it? Or do you prefer your story line?

And the pushing in the men's race didn't impede the runners. Therefor there isn't an issue.

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medic medic wrote:

Hasay has bruised ribs from an elbow she took earlier in the race, and needs 4 stiches to one of her calves when GG nailed her from behind.

redux wrote:

So a slow initial pace means people dont have to follow rules? A 5:18 in a pack doesn't mean running people over is ok when they are all in open territory. I will repeat the fact since you fail to grasp reality--Hasay was run down by GG when both were in open terrirory and GG could have not initiated contact. Got it? Or do you prefer your story line?

And the pushing in the men's race didn't impede the runners. Therefor there isn't an issue.

Did you even watch the race? It was very minor contact. It-s not like she pushed or tripped anyone.

luv2run wrote:

medic medic wrote:

Hasay has bruised ribs from an elbow she took earlier in the race, and needs 4 stiches to one of her calves when GG nailed her from behind.

Funny, I was right at the finish line with binoculars and saw no blood on a Hasay. Thought that she had gotten spiked so I looked

Watch Anita Weyermann knock TWO people out of the way so she can bull her way between them (start at 4:00)--nothing called:

The amount of contact in the 3000m today would not even be noticed in Europe Diamond League. Typical Oregon whiny brat material.

Classic control freak Salazar. Yes the race was over.

Rojo, I appreciate you speaking up.

Unless I'm watching a doctored video replay, I see absolutely no foul. ZERO! And I've watched it over & over. Show me where please. I'll hang for another hour or so, thanks...

Nice try AlSal, but nobody's buying your BS argument

redux wrote:

So a slow initial pace means people dont have to follow rules? A 5:18 in a pack doesn't mean running people over is ok when they are all in open territory. I will repeat the fact since you fail to grasp reality--Hasay was run down by GG when both were in open terrirory and GG could have not initiated contact. Got it? Or do you prefer your story line?

And the pushing in the men's race didn't impede the runners. Therefor there isn't an issue.

Gabby has been running out of control for years. All the girls have complained how she was pushes and shoves and drives that fine line. She got caught. Too many elbows, too many pushes. Where is her coach.

Grunewald needs to join the American football team if she wants to run like that. You just can't take two people out in one swoop like she did. Plus she ran dirty throughout the race. Ridiculous.

kmaclam wrote:

Unless I'm watching a doctored video replay, I see absolutely no foul. ZERO! And I've watched it over & over. Show me where please. I'll hang for another hour or so, thanks...

I agree 100% and I've watched it 5 x now. In fact, an argument can be made that Hasay caused the contact. Regardless, what happened to the rule book? Procedure for protests totally ignored to rule in favor of Salazar.

When you are in a situation where a championship is on the line, as well as spots for the World Championships, that slow pace can be very frustrating. Tensions build, and people react in different ways. It can "explode" later in the race, but the stress can go back to the frustration of the slow pace. When you want the championship or the spot on the team, you might react differently than a race of lesser importance. More often than not, these situations arise when the pace is slow and tactical. If the race had gone out at, maybe, 8:50 pace, it very well would have been a totally different story. There isn't as much game-playing and the field potentially thins out sooner. Unless you are in the field with them, you really don't know what was going on earlier in the race while you're jostling in that pack. I don't know Gabby personally, and I'm not necessarily defending her, but she went in as the favorite and the pressure is different than the runner who has nothing to lose.

My interpretation is that Gabby did a bit of a Will Leer, was kind of spaced out (looking up rather than downtrack) at the bell. Then the bell and she goes into a frenzy, first trying to get by Hasay on the inside. Jordan moves inboard with the turn and Gabe is cut off or runs up, kind of ambiguous, but she moves around Hasay and sprints down the back straight where she encounters Shannon. Gabby here stutters her steps AND HAS NO CONTACT WITH ROWBURY, then sprints around her like she is a fire hydrant.

To some extent a foul should be called based on intent, and there was ZERO intent on Grunewald's part to impinge on her competitors. Maybe not the most graceful of kicks, even a bit demented technically, but I think even she was shocked at how slow Jordan and Shannon were going relative to her.

Well said Ruth.

In a slow race everyone wants to go when they want to go. When they get trapped behind other runners, or when other runners in front of them intentionally trap someone, then contact can occur.

Personally, I do not like good runners who sit back and let other set the pace, regardless of how that pace is. They are the ones who are mostly responsible when contact occurs.