Donovan Bailey was pretty much the baddest ass ever in 1996.

I just remember him making MJ do a Rupp.

err...

you did see the 200 ???

bailey was lucky mj didn't enter the 100 that year

he was probably in 9.75 - 9.80 shape, similar to what yohan has been showing for 200/100 in last coupla years

ventolin^3 wrote:

err...

you did see the 200 ???

bailey was lucky mj didn't enter the 100 that year

he was probably in 9.75 - 9.80 shape, similar to what yohan has been showing for 200/100 in last coupla years

Never would have happened. MJ was injury prone. What happened in that 150 was not the exception. That's what happened every time he tried to be pure sprinter. The whole system Clyde Hart is famous for now was built trying to keep Michael Johnson healthy. Yes, he had the ability to run 9.7x, but he couldn't survive the training.

he was injury prone only because prior to '96 he wasn't particularly strong for his height ( i beleieve 6'1 )

in his book he said he put on 15 pounds of muscle for '96 & weighed around 210 !!!

that kinda muscle made him virtually indestructible, certainly able to cope with a fast start

you forget he ran 1st curve of 200 with an alleged stumble at start, in 10.12 !!!

knock off coupla tenths for the bend, so he actually split 9.92 straight with alleged stumble en-route in a 200 !!!

Nonsense. His PR is 10.09. On his best day, he would have been very lucky to break 9.95. He would have finished 5th or 6th. in the 100 Olympic final in 1996.

ventolin^3 wrote:

err...

you did see the 200 ???

err...

We are talking about the 100.

ventolin^3 wrote:

he was injury prone only because prior to '96 he wasn't particularly strong for his height ( i beleieve 6'1 )

in his book he said he put on 15 pounds of muscle for '96 & weighed around 210 !!!

that kinda muscle made him virtually indestructible, certainly able to cope with a fast start

you forget he ran 1st curve of 200 with an alleged stumble at start, in 10.12 !!!

knock off coupla tenths for the bend, so he actually split 9.92 straight with alleged stumble en-route in a 200 !!!

'course, he injured himself running that curve, so you kinda make the point you're trying to refute.

MJ approached the 200m from an endurance angle. He was exceptionally fast for a 400m specialist, but not on Bailey's level.

Wtfunny wrote:'course, he injured himself running that curve, so you kinda make the point you're trying to refute.

err...

did you see him pull out before the end of that 200 ???

whatever injury he had it didn't stop him finishing in 19.32

that shows the indestrucdtible nature of the guy that meet

Smooth Daddy wrote:MJ approached the 200m from an endurance angle. He was exceptionally fast for a 400m specialist, but not on Bailey's level.

this shows you have no clue about sprinting

you cannot seem to comprehend what 10.12 on a curve means for a straight 100m or do you think it is possible to run as fast on a curve as you can a straight ???

let me try a logic question for you :

for a mostly 200 guy, what is the slowest 200m time they can have with which it is impossible to have slower than 9.80 intrinsic 100 ability, even if they never bother running a 100 ?

ventolin^3 wrote:

Wtfunny wrote:'course, he injured himself running that curve, so you kinda make the point you're trying to refute.

err...

did you see him pull out before the end of that 200 ???

whatever injury he had it didn't stop him finishing in 19.32

that shows the indestrucdtible nature of the guy that meet

No, that was an incredible run. But he DID injure himself (sciatic nerve) from that curve, and the rest of his season, if not career, suffered because of it.

Ato Boldon, bronze medallist on both the 100 and the 200 that year, said, unequivocally MJ was "the fastest man in the world" after the 200m. MJ's 50-150m still stands as one of the fastest flying 100m of all time ... Something like 8.75 or thereabouts I think.

I'd have loved to see him in the 100m .... He could've taken Linford Christie's lane. :)

Wtfunny wrote:No, that was an incredible run. But he DID injure himself (sciatic nerve) from that curve, and the rest of his season, if not career, suffered because of it.

nonsense

whatever injury he had didn't make him pull up in that 200

what part of "indestructible" don't you comprehend ???

Wtfunny wrote:Ato Boldon, bronze medallist on both the 100 and the 200 that year, said, unequivocally MJ was "the fastest man in the world" after the 200m. MJ's 50-150m still stands as one of the fastest flying 100m of all time ... Something like 8.75 or thereabouts I think.

I'd have loved to see him in the 100m .... He could've taken Linford Christie's lane. :)

it's listed as 8.786s

there are are some discrepancies which are not explained :

at sea-level the ``straight track'' equivalent of his 10.13 s split would theoretically be 9.909 s, with a straight 200 m clocking of 18.950s

whether he means he thinks his 10.13 split was worth 9.909s if he'd run a 100 race instead or is an en-route 100 clocking for a straight 200m is not clear

the straight-track equivalent of 18.950s does not make sense :

- he ran 19.32 with a curve

- the claim is the straight equivalent is 18.95

the only difference between the 2 is a curve instead of a straight

he is therefore saying the curve is worth 19.32 - 18.95 =

0.37s

compared to a straight

therefore he is saying the 10.13 is = on a straight to

10.13 - 0.37s =

9.76s !!!

for en-route to 19.32

that straight equivalent is too quick & his 9.909s prior quoted looks much nearer the mark as an en-route straight 100m to 19.32 & give him 0.1+ off that for a stand-alone 100m race because he had to save something in 1st 100 or he wouda died in the latter part of that 200

ventolin^3 wrote:

Wtfunny wrote:No, that was an incredible run. But he DID injure himself (sciatic nerve) from that curve, and the rest of his season, if not career, suffered because of it.

nonsense

whatever injury he had didn't make him pull up in that 200

what part of "indestructible" don't you comprehend ???

MJ is the person who said he injured his sciatic nerve running that curve. Maybe explain what "indestructible" means to him.

And he never came close to that form again. Wasn't he beaten by Frankie 2 or 3 times later that season?

I watched that race a bunch of times, and it never looks (to me) like he stumbles.

off note, bolt split 9.92 in his 19.19wr

http://videosportsanalysis.blogspot.co.uk/2009/08/analyzing-usain-bolts-1919-second-200m.html

knock off 0.2s for curve & that gives 9.72 straight 100m en-route to a 200

that compares well with running 0.1+ off his flat-out 100 ability in first 100m to save something for 2nd half of 200

he ran 9.58 that meet

eh ???

it's well reported he picked up an injuy

what you are clueless about is that he was indestructible that meet, meaning any injury didn't make him pull up & he kept going to the finish without any discernible loss of form

he ran thru any pain barrier

that is indestructible

no

he raced the 200 just once more that year losing 19.97 v 20.02 to frankie in berlin

he wasn't even in pre-atlanta shape anymore where he ran 19.77 in stockholm between his 2 wrs

mj shoudn't have even bothered running again that year after atlanta as probably running on fumes, but he manned-up & did so

that's his claim in his book

watch the head on vid in slow motion, you can see his leg kick out trying to handle the curve thats where he did it.

He's lucky he didn't sever his sciatic nerve or tear his hamstring. Another reason not to have heat winners draw a lane 3 in a final IAAF.

what you are clueless about is that he was indestructible that meet, meaning any injury didn't make him pull up & he kept going to the finish without any discernible loss of form[/quote]

I see. IMO, if he injured himself during the race, and it affected both the rest of his season and the next few seasons, if not the entire rest of his career, I'd suggest he wasn't indestructible at all.

quote]he ran thru any pain barrier

that is indestructible[/quote]

Well, actually, I don't think that's what the word means. Merriam's, anyone?

[quote

no

he raced the 200 just once more that year losing 19.97 v 20.02 to frankie in berlin[/quote]

So Frankie beat him one time, not 2 or 3? And MJ didn't race again that season because of his injury.

Possibly because of his injured sciatic nerve.

mj shoudn't have even bothered running again that year after atlanta as probably running on fumes, but he manned-up & did so [/quote]

He was a sprinter ... Sprinters don't "man up" - ever.

I remember him saying that in the post race interviews as well. He may well have stumbled, but I don't see it on the tape.

Regardless, I'd have loved to see him race in that 100m .... It was a great race, and it'd have been interesting to see MJ in it as well. I'd also have loved to see Carl Lewis in the 200m in Tokyo, 91.