what would the effects be?
what would the effects be?
Three people you want to contact for personal experience and research:
Tim Noakes
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Tim-Noakes/363196263770926
https://twitter.com/ProfTimNoakes
Jeff Volek
http://www.education.uconn.edu/directory/details.cfm?id=85
Peter Attia
http://nusi.org/about-us/a-letter-from-the-founders/peter-attia/#.UrUaT_umTGg
Obviously, also google the above for articles and videos.
I heard Brad DeWeese tell a story about some bobsledders who tried it despite his objections. All of their performance numbers went into the tank except body composition. Give the nature of their training, if it doesn't work for them, how on Earth could it work for a distance runner?
Peter Attia has done a lot of experimentation on himself pre and post-ketotic diet, and it seems that his longer term exercise #s (> 1 hour) improved fairly dramatically while his short-term (10 minute hard effort or less) diminished somewhat. There are rumors taht some of the ultra guys are using ketotic diet to peak for ultras.
I have noticed that my long runs seem easier on low-carb diet (body is already burning fat efficiently, and was recently able to go from 30 to 70 miles in one week fairly easily), and my short stuff doesn't seem that much different, as I eat enough carbs to stay out of ketosis (am setting power PRs in the gym for various lifts).
I don't think this is a pure ketogenic diet but I definitely limit the amount of carbs I consume. Following a workout I will consume a large amount of carbs, protein, and fats. I will then taper the amount of carbs I eat after this meal so by dinner I will eat chicken and veggies. Pre-workout meal eating depends on the type of workout I am doing but sometimes I will have eggs/veggies or I will consume a meal with carbs.
Surprisingly, I can do a 90 minute run at noon without eating any food that day and feel great. Mostly getting over it in your head that you need food before working out is the biggest obstacle. I will also lift without any eating in the morning and sometimes not feel as strong as if I were to have a large breakfast. I also have had stomach issues for years that have been drastically reduced by changing up eating habits.
After starting this, I dropped 10 pounds in 2 months and then another 5 pounds in another 2 months.
Second most of this, except the weight loss (I have always been < 10% bodyfat, so not much left to lose without getting into muscle). I certainly can see major benefits for anyone maintaining high overall mileage. For me it is more the consistent energy level and freedom from GI issues that keep me motivated.
godisdead wrote:
I don't think this is a pure ketogenic diet but I definitely limit the amount of carbs I consume. Following a workout I will consume a large amount of carbs, protein, and fats. I will then taper the amount of carbs I eat after this meal so by dinner I will eat chicken and veggies. Pre-workout meal eating depends on the type of workout I am doing but sometimes I will have eggs/veggies or I will consume a meal with carbs.
Surprisingly, I can do a 90 minute run at noon without eating any food that day and feel great. Mostly getting over it in your head that you need food before working out is the biggest obstacle. I will also lift without any eating in the morning and sometimes not feel as strong as if I were to have a large breakfast. I also have had stomach issues for years that have been drastically reduced by changing up eating habits.
After starting this, I dropped 10 pounds in 2 months and then another 5 pounds in another 2 months.
Well...Kenyans get like 70% of their calories from carbohydrates. Soooo...
Why are there quite a few Ethiopian restaurants in big cities but no Kenyan ones?
Is ugali really that bad?
High level vegetarians have shown more than high level ketogenians but high carb people are destroying everyone in the actual professional events.
I'm dissapointed that Noakes is jumping on the low carb bandwagon. I think that despite his knowledge of ex phys he would make a lousy coach.
high everything diet wrote:
High level vegetarians have shown more than high level ketogenians but high carb people are destroying everyone in the actual professional events.
this^^^
The problem with carbs is that people often pick really bad ones for their source. Eat something like quinoa, sweet potatoes, and winter squashes and it can be quite good for you.
I've done keto for extended periods of time while lifting weights and running. I've never felt better and the body fat was as low as I've ever had. However, this was on ~20 mpw and 3x lifting. Since starting marathon training I've found it extremely difficult to maintain, so I've switched back to a high carb diet while I train. The bf % is about the same but I'm now able to train much faster.
I love keto and highly recommend it to anyone trying to lose weight or just feel better. The mental sharpness is great. I will warn newcomers to keto that if you are low-carbing for a long time and decide to eat pizza one night, be prepared for some bathroom trips!
Also, read Why We Get Fat!
ketosometimes wrote:
I've done keto for extended periods of time while lifting weights and running. I've never felt better and the body fat was as low as I've ever had. However, this was on ~20 mpw and 3x lifting. Since starting marathon training I've found it extremely difficult to maintain, so I've switched back to a high carb diet while I train. The bf % is about the same but I'm now able to train much faster.
I love keto and highly recommend it to anyone trying to lose weight or just feel better. The mental sharpness is great. I will warn newcomers to keto that if you are low-carbing for a long time and decide to eat pizza one night, be prepared for some bathroom trips!
Also, read Why We Get Fat!
ummm, fat is essential to our life (so is carb). What's wrong with it is when people accumulate too much of it in the body by moving around too little compared to their consumption of food. Fat is not a problem (neither is carb). People are.
Kenyans eat lots of carbs from corn meal, not wheat flour. It is easier on insulin levels than flour. I have seen a lot of amateur runners struggle with their weight and performance because they eat way too much flour, sugar and other highly refined wheat products. Blueberry muffin or pastry with coffee for breakfast. Sub sandwich for lunch. Pasta for dinner. Tons of carbs for even an elite runner. Substitute 4 oz of salmon for lunch for the sub sandwich and the weight starts to melt away. Carbs are just fine, but there is a limit to what everyone can metabolize.
There might be some intuition that it might work because it works on diabetes and seizures. After all what is all performance enhancing drugs. They were all therapeutic agents for sicknesses. I am guessing that is the reason why any normal sane person would even think about embarking on ketosis trying to get fruity breath and headaches. In order to transition into a higher level of performance maybe in their mind.