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MACHINE.
Who?
Kawauchi has run 7 marathons this year, two 2:08's, one 2:09, one 2:10, one 2:11, one 2:12, one 2:15. How does this string of performances rank in the history of marathoning?
Is there any suspicion of drug use?
igt wrote:
Is there any suspicion of drug use?
While the absence of a positive test alone does not absolve one of guilt (of course), you would be hard pressed to find a positive test by ANY Japanese long distance runner.
Wrong. Kawauchi has run NINE marathons, Fukuoka was his tenth and he has another to go.He is an example of the way things USED to be before "professional marathoners" came around and ruined the sport with their slow times and/or inability to race (Cragg, Coolsaet, etc).
marathon guy wrote:
Kawauchi has run 7 marathons this year, two 2:08's, one 2:09, one 2:10, one 2:11, one 2:12, one 2:15. How does this string of performances rank in the history of marathoning?
HESAYYOUBRADERUNNAH wrote:
He is an example of the way things USED to be before "professional marathoners" came around and ruined the sport with their slow times and/or inability to race.
Kinda true. Bill Rogers and Dick Beardsley have strings of 5 marathons in 7 months. The "two marathons per year" thing is a modern concept. Kawauchi probably has them beaten time-wise though.
While the absence of a positive test alone does not absolve one of guilt (of course), you would be hard pressed to find a positive test by ANY Japanese long distance runner.
Kaori Yoshida earlier this year. There, wasn't that hard.
Hardloper wrote:
Kinda true. Bill Rogers and Dick Beardsley have strings of 5 marathons in 7 months. The "two marathons per year" thing is a modern concept. Kawauchi probably has them beaten time-wise though.
You're not going to run very fast racing that many marathons in that sort of time frame.
From Hodge's site, Bill Rogers 1976:
May 22 - 26.2 miles - 2:11:58 - 2nd place - Olympic Trials Marathon
July 31 - Olympic Marathon (Montreal) - 2:24 - 40th place (humid, dehydrated)
Oct. 24 - 26.2 miles - 2:10:09.6 - 1st place NYC Marathon - New York Times Coverage
Nov. 7 - 26.1 [?] miles - 2:08:23 - Sado Island Marathon in Japan ("Ran 2:08:23 for supposed marathon course minus 145 (?) ( 160 yds.) ? flat, pleasant course. Ran about 6 mi. in P.M. at easy pace over hilly course for a total of 32 miles.")
Dec. 5 - 26.2 miles - 2:14:23 - 1st - Baltimore Marathon - Tom Fleming took 2nd
Ran LOTS of races in between, from Millrose Games 2-mile to track 15k American record. Five more marathons the next year.
Jeff Wigand wrote:
You're not going to run very fast racing that many marathons in that sort of time frame.
I agree that you can't run them all at 100% peak. You have to pick your battles. But a majority of them were a few minutes off his PR, which you can recover from surprisingly fast.
Canova has talked about his athletes doing a marathon at "80% fitness" (still quite good), while focusing on another one a few months later, or doing hard 40 km runs equivalent to 3-4 minutes slower than marathon goal. However if you go all-out, like the Kenyans were forced to in the spring of 2012 to make the Olympic team, they will be burned out for the Olympic marathon.
well then wrote:
Kaori Yoshida earlier this year. There, wasn't that hard.
Wow, color me surprised. FWIW I do think Yuki is clean, or at least as clean as any American marathoner ;)
casual commentary wrote:
well then wrote:Kaori Yoshida earlier this year. There, wasn't that hard.
Wow, color me surprised. FWIW I do think Yuki is clean, or at least as clean as any American marathoner ;)
He's definitely not in it for the money.
current Americans aren't racing fast off 1-2 marathons per year now. so what's your point?
Jeff Wigand wrote:
You're not going to run very fast racing that many marathons in that sort of time frame.
old school guys like Rodgers or current guys like Kawauchi have no ego & don't let stinker races ruin their confidence. they know every race is not necessarily a true reflection of your current fitness (you CAN'T PR every time out!) and don't let subpar performances bother them.
current 'elite marathoners' that run 1-2 races a year spend the 4-6 months prior to he race giving interviews about how they've 'never been this fit' and go in with the mindset of 'PR or it's a failure'. and when they don't PR they sit around feeling sorry for themselves for a couple months before they repeat the cycle (instead of just getting back out there and practicing RACING and COMPETING).
train to RACE and COMPETE wrote:
current Americans aren't racing fast off 1-2 marathons per year now. so what's your point?
Try running 2:05 five times a year. It's not going to happen.
The Kawauchi show - grimacing at the half
Coolsaet - 2:11:23
Huge tool
You can't stand guys that compete and run fast? You're on the wrong website chief.
Jeff Wigand wrote:
train to RACE and COMPETE wrote:current Americans aren't racing fast off 1-2 marathons per year now. so what's your point?
Try running 2:05 five times a year. It's not going to happen.
Excepting for a downhill course with a tailwind, American runners aren't hitting 2:05 once in a career.