Anyone who can run a sub 2:20 marathon would destroy that record.
Sure they would...
THE Elite wrote:
Anyone who can run a sub 2:20 marathon would destroy that record.
Yeah! No, the would not. You underestimate ultras.
Stunt running.. might as well set a record for the fastest hoola hoop 5k.
Has about the same amount of meaning in the running world.
This is just a boroughed record. Dean Karnazes will get it back. Unfortunately, he has his aims set at qualifying for the OT Trials in the NYC Marathon first.
DeanFan wrote:
This is just a boroughed record. Dean Karnazes will get it back. Unfortunately, he has his aims set at qualifying for the OT Trials in the NYC Marathon first.
Yes and he will be in the mix for the top 3. Last night's workout was a ten mile tempo in 48:49. The speed is starting to return.
I think I'm beginning to hate competitive running.
In theory a 2:20 marathoner has the speed to run a
fast 100 miles. In practice however, all sorts of other
problems crop up in a 100 miler, pains in places you
never thought of in a marathon. Your wrists hurt, your
back hurts and the fortitude you need to get past the
bad patch in a marathon is nothing compared to the bad
patches in a 100. Props to the guy that can average
7:12
Did he bring a picnic lunch with him on his 100 mile hike?
oldguy1 wrote:
In theory a 2:20 marathoner has the speed to run a
fast 100 miles. In practice however, all sorts of other
problems crop up in a 100 miler, pains in places you
never thought of in a marathon. Your wrists hurt, your
back hurts and the fortitude you need to get past the
bad patch in a marathon is nothing compared to the bad
patches in a 100. Props to the guy that can average
7:12
Oh yeah but that's NOTHING compared to the pain of doing a 1000 mile race.
This is akin to running for 10m and saying you have the 10m world record. Or running sideways for 150m and saying you have the sideways 150m world record.
Of course usain bolt or any decent collegiate runner would beat you but they choose not to be idiots. 100 mile world record means NOTHING. Any decent kenyan runner under 2:30 marathon would smash this guy and karnazus. They are probably laughing at this right now. If you think this means anything you are an idiot and it is not amazing at all. Sure these guys are decently fit but by no means elite.
This record has probably been smashed a zillion times by your average ethiopian runner out for an extra long training run or cruising around the hills to the next village.
ataglance. wrote:[/b Stunt running.. might as well set a record for the fastest hoola hoop 5k.
Has about the same amount of meaning in the running world.
Umm, how about a 14:54 5k winning time at the US Championships? A non-sit-and-kick hoola hoop 5k would be faster than that 14:54 hobbyjogger time.
14:54 US Championships wrote:
ataglance. wrote:[/b Stunt running.. might as well set a record for the fastest hoola hoop 5k.Has about the same amount of meaning in the running world.
Umm, how about a 14:54 5k winning time at the US Championships? A non-sit-and-kick hoola hoop 5k would be faster than that 14:54 hobbyjogger time.
I dont know what you are talking about or trying to say?
Can't figure it out? Does it have to spelled out for you? Use your brain and try to think. This is a test for you.
It's a great accomplishment. But dealing with the elements is such a large part of an event that lasts twelve hours that I would regard running on an indoor track as a separate category, not an overall record.
True that
Like saying someone who can run a 1:42 would obliterate a 10000m record if they ran one. lol.
THE Elite wrote:
Anyone who can run a sub 2:20 marathon would destroy that record.
Actually, worse than that. Adjusting from the marathon WR to 2:20 and applying to percentage difference to the 800 WR the claim would be,
Anyone who can run a sub 1:55 for 800m would destroy that record (10000m).
reallybetterbekidding wrote:
This is akin to running for 10m and saying you have the 10m world record. Or running sideways for 150m and saying you have the sideways 150m world record.
Of course usain bolt or any decent collegiate runner would beat you but they choose not to be idiots. 100 mile world record means NOTHING. Any decent kenyan runner under 2:30 marathon would smash this guy and karnazus. They are probably laughing at this right now. If you think this means anything you are an idiot and it is not amazing at all. Sure these guys are decently fit but by no means elite.
This record has probably been smashed a zillion times by your average ethiopian runner out for an extra long training run or cruising around the hills to the next village.
Not sure if you're joking, but the 100-mile distance is not all that obscure. There are over a hundred different annual hundred mile races in the USA currently. Many of them have been around for quite a while. Finishing one may be easy to dismiss to the talented folks of the LRC msg board, but is actually an awesome accomplishment in my opinion. Why? BECAUSE IT'S F***ING HARD!!
I can't speak for everyone, but most ultra runners are not like Dean Karnazes. Most do it for a personal challenge. As in "I bet it would be really HARD to run 100 miles. I think I'll give it a try". Some race competitively, while some basically just want to finish. But merely finishing a 100 miler is exponentially more difficult than merely finishing a 5k.
It's been a while since I ran an organized ultra, and I know very little about Jon Olsen. But if he is like many who went before him, I doubt he would say "I am the US record-holder for the 100 mile distance; therefore I am the best there has ever been, and my record is equivalent in difficulty and amount of talent required to the shorter track and road distances." What do you want him to do? Ask for forgiveness? Apologize to all the elite marathoners who would have beaten him if they had decided to run the event? The guy set the US record for 100 miles, and that's that. If you set a record in some local road race, do you have to publicly apologize because even though you technically set a record, Haile Gebrselassie, Kenny Bekele, and thousands of others would have beaten you IF they had decided to run?
And while I agree in principle that ultra records are not as "strong" as, for instance, the marathon record, I think you are underestimating the strength of the records. You say that "any decent kenyan runner under 2:30 marathon would smash this guy". WTF does that mean? For starters, are Kenyan 2:29 marathoners better than other 2:29 marathoners? What does being Kenyan have to do with it? And anyway, plenty of sub 2:30 marathoners have run 100-milers without demolishing Jon Olsen's time.
Finally, about your statement "this record has probably been smashed a zillion times by your average ethiopian runner out for an extra long training run or cruising around the hills to the next village" Oh, screw it. I just can't be bothered with that one.