Are Chiropractors the biggest, Joke Ever?

jkjkjkjjjjjjjjjjj wrote:

Anecdote:

I have a friend from college, complete moron. Never took a science class in college. Does 1 semester at community college and gets accepted to chiropractic school.

If you go to a chiropractor who are you trusting your healthcare to? Probably, a guy who was bottom half of his high school class.

If you go to an MD, who are you trusting? Likely top 10% of your high school class.

and doctors and hospitals kill 100,000 people a year through mistakes - still trust them?

medmalmedmal wrote:

jkjkjkjjjjjjjjjjj wrote:

Anecdote:

I have a friend from college, complete moron. Never took a science class in college. Does 1 semester at community college and gets accepted to chiropractic school.

If you go to a chiropractor who are you trusting your healthcare to? Probably, a guy who was bottom half of his high school class.

If you go to an MD, who are you trusting? Likely top 10% of your high school class.

and doctors and hospitals kill 100,000 people a year through mistakes - still trust them?

actually more like 200,000

Fact...you cannot get into chiropractic school with one semester of community college.

jkjkjkjjjjjjjjjjj wrote:

Anecdote:

I have a friend from college, complete moron. Never took a science class in college. Does 1 semester at community college and gets accepted to chiropractic school.

If you go to a chiropractor who are you trusting your healthcare to? Probably, a guy who was bottom half of his high school class.

If you go to an MD, who are you trusting? Likely top 10% of your high school class.

Doug Heffernan wrote:

Change @ Park wrote:

Allow me to enlighten you then, troll: every NFL franchise has at least one team chiropractor on their medical staff, and 8 of them employ two.

Allow me to enlighten you then, tard: How many MLB players wear the Power Balance bracelets or some knockoff bracelet/necklace? Also, The Sleep Train Arena in Sacramento was formerly called Power Balance Pavilion.

Just because they're there doesn't mean they're credible or worth anything.

Figure it out, genius. MLB teams do not invest in Power Balance necklaces.

People said the same things about osteopathic profession. When the AMA couldn't get rid of them, they absorbed them. The chiropractic profession hasn't allowed that to happen. Osteopaths have the same privileges traditional medical doctors do. I don't think any ivy league colleges have osteopathic schools. Like chiropractic colleges, osteopathic colleges have traditionally been private. Florida State tried to bring a chiropractic school onto campus, but threatened boycott led by an orthopedist caused the university to change its mind. He felt it would hurt the reputation of the FSU.

Chiropractors see people for back pain, neck pain, stiffness, sprains and strains and overuse injuries. Read research. Chiropractic care has been shown to be effective for all these things...not just with adjustments, but with the use of physical therapy modalities as well. All the chiropractic journals that publish research are reputable and publish peer reviewed research. You think people just send in stories and they are printed? Get a grip.

These leading research organizations are mostly big pharma who have a vested interest in outcomes that support the efficacy of their drug. Do you think they try to publish findings that don't support their product? No way!

It is very difficult to conduct a study in the effectiveness of chiropractic care because its hard to give someone a manipulation without knowing it. There is also limited funding because we are not backed by big pharma.

If medicine is so evidence based, why are we seeing class action suits against artificial joint manufacturers, birth control drug makers, and pharmas because of the side effects of statins causing type II diabetes in women, and people having reactions to anti-inflammatories?

Some of you guys are really reaching.

physical therapist wrote:

You don't get physical therapy from a chiropractor.

They are not licensed to provide/bill for PT services. If they do, they can get in a lot of trouble.

I get adjustments, ART, and electrostim or ultrasound, which I assume are types of physical therapy? These services are highlighted on their website, so if they were going to get into trouble for offering them, I suspect that would have happened by now.

Should mention that I come from a family of MD's (not one myself though), so, as I noted above, I was skeptical initially.

A friend recommended a chiropractor and my first thought was I'd go once and see what he offered. His treatments helped so I have gone on and off for quite a few years. I've gone to different chiropractors, some I liked better than others (some were more about hard sell, so I can understand why people have reservations).

But some gave me excellent treatment, as is the case with the current person.

So overall, choose carefully--as would be true with any professional you consult. If you're not comfortable with the person, look elsewhere.

Every profession has a mix of good people and duds. The person I see now is the real deal in terms not only of his knowledge of how to treat runners, but also his genuine interest in helping us get healthy--he knows first-hand the value of being able to run and compete.

really?????? wrote:

Fact...you cannot get into chiropractic school with one semester of community college.

jkjkjkjjjjjjjjjjj wrote:

Anecdote:

I have a friend from college, complete moron. Never took a science class in college. Does 1 semester at community college and gets accepted to chiropractic school.

If you go to a chiropractor who are you trusting your healthcare to? Probably, a guy who was bottom half of his high school class.

If you go to an MD, who are you trusting? Likely top 10% of your high school class.

You dont read real good do you? Never said you could.

FACT...We went to college together and he took 0 science courses...he graduated and took 1 semester of community college science courses and went straight to chiropractic school.

No. They are down on the list a way. Top two????..... Man-caused Global warming and Obama are near the top.

Been seeing a chiropractor who specializes in endurance for 2 years as a regular part of my training. for the first time in 15 years, i've remained on the roads. hogwash? perhaps. just like ice baths. but I have no doubt that the acute therapy that a good chiro/sports doc provides is infinitely more valuable to my running than an MD.

Some chirps are a joke just like some do doctors are a joke.

A sports chiropractors has been the best thing for me. Amazing at adjustments, active release therapy, graston technique, and many other techniques. Better than any doctor I have ever seen.

So no chiropractors are amazing

Change @ Park wrote:

lil tank wrote:

I know a couple, most are indeed quacks

Allow me to enlighten you then, troll: every NFL franchise has at least one team chiropractor on their medical staff, and 8 of them employ two.

Source?

purposeful wrote:

really??????? wrote:

Please tell me what pseudoscience classes chiropractors take?

The ones about, you know chiropractic? Since it is based on pseudoscience...

Chiro is trapped. there are some great chiropractors, but they really are trapped because of the lunacy that they were founded on.

Being a great chiro is like being a great World of Warcraft player. In both cases, you're really good at following the rules of your little made-up fantasy world, but what you do has no bearing on reality.

At least a bad medical doctor is bad at this that work. Doing 50% of the right things is still more helpful than doing 100% of a whole lot of voodoo.

really?????? wrote:

If medicine is so evidence based, why are we seeing class action suits against artificial joint manufacturers, birth control drug makers, and pharmas because of the side effects of statins causing type II diabetes in women, and people having reactions to anti-inflammatories?

Some of you guys are really reaching.

Please tell me you're joking with this. If you're going to be defending chiro's you should at least make it look like you have some idea of what "evidence based" actually means.

Your quote is like saying "If my house was built according to a building code, then tell me why I had to fix my roof after it started to leak?"

say what???? wrote:

Actually, I routinely bill for 97140, 97035, and 97110 codes. Insurances pay for them under my tax ID, which I know has me credentialed as a chiropractor. You are freaking clueless and should not speak about things you do not know about.

physical therapist wrote:

You don't get physical therapy from a chiropractor.

They are not licensed to provide/bill for PT services. If they do, they can get in a lot of trouble.

So you bill for Manual Therapy, Ultrasound, and Therapeutic Exercises... None of which specifically say "Physical Therapy" and are only components of PT practice.

Actually, every major pro sport employs them as well as nearly every BCS level athletic department. True, that there are some that just try to get people overly dependent on them, but the good ones are worth their weight in gold. I've sent many of my athlete's to my chiro who has an amazing skill set with certifications in ART and CSCS. He addresses the root cause of the issue in addition to "quieting down" the physiological acute phase issues of any injury. Just like many orthos can't see past the end of their scalpels, some chiros have no business working with athletes. Find a good one and watch that holistic approach prevent injury.

Change @ Park wrote:

lil tank wrote:

I know a couple, most are indeed quacks

Allow me to enlighten you then, troll: every NFL franchise has at least one team chiropractor on their medical staff, and 8 of them employ two.

These are PT procedures. He said chiros were note allowed to bill for PT services.I can't think of anything a PT is allowed to perform and bill for procedurally that a chiropractor in my state can not, aside from dry needling, for those PT's that are certified.

Educate Yourself wrote:

say what???? wrote:

Actually, I routinely bill for 97140, 97035, and 97110 codes. Insurances pay for them under my tax ID, which I know has me credentialed as a chiropractor. You are freaking clueless and should not speak about things you do not know about.

So you bill for Manual Therapy, Ultrasound, and Therapeutic Exercises... None of which specifically say "Physical Therapy" and are only components of PT practice.

Um, you said never took a science class in college...Um, is community college not a college? Oh, I forgot I was talking to an idiot.To finish of the fact that "Really??????" was talking about, you are required to have 2 years of chemistry, including organic, to get into chiropractic school. You cannot do this in 1 semester of community college without having prior science in college. You also need at least 2 Bio classes and at least 6 credits in physics in classes that are serial and require the first as a prerequisite for the second. You can't do this in a semester.Quit lying!

sdfsdfsfddfsdfs wrote:

really?????? wrote:

Fact...you cannot get into chiropractic school with one semester of community college.

You dont read real good do you? Never said you could.

FACT...We went to college together and he took 0 science courses...he graduated and took 1 semester of community college science courses and went straight to chiropractic school.

60 years ago, maybe there was made up fantasy. People aren't subscribing to that fantasy now, and haven't been for quite some time. Continuing to believe that the practice and education of chiropractors is the same now as it was even 15 years ago is the real lunacy.

I don't follow wrote:

purposeful wrote:

The ones about, you know chiropractic? Since it is based on pseudoscience...

Chiro is trapped. there are some great chiropractors, but they really are trapped because of the lunacy that they were founded on.

Being a great chiro is like being a great World of Warcraft player. In both cases, you're really good at following the rules of your little made-up fantasy world, but what you do has no bearing on reality.

At least a bad medical doctor is bad at this that work. Doing 50% of the right things is still more helpful than doing 100% of a whole lot of voodoo.

Explain this:

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I understand that there are fringe practitioners in all areas of health care, but this is bordering on lunacy.