With so many of his athletes having tested positive in the past 15 months why is Tyson's primary coach, Lance Brauman going pretty much unscathed? Dude spent year in jail for corruption of college money while at Barton JC and then cheated to get Tyson into Arkansas academically which eventually led to probation and vacating of titles for Hogs.
VCB was his athlete for years and was back practicing on same track as Brauman.
Mullings was his also and Baptiste and another one of his tested positive and left Worlds in Moscow on eve of the 100.
Does anyone really think Tyson would take anything and not run it past his decade long coach who has been determined to get Tyson a title over Bolt?
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Masters wrote:
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A close source of mine told me that Gay was using this cream for his hip joint. The Dr had told Gay it would help with his joints. He won't give me anymore information but he claims that Gay was given a cream for his hip which turned out to have dhea. The Dr assured him it was food based and contained nothing synthetic. That's why he said that he was let down.
And being a knowledgeable professional athlete earning a high income who, like the rest of us, has been informed hundreds of times, he wouldn't have checked with USADA and/or WADA before using anything? And him being Tyson Gay they wouldn't have bent over backwards to help him identify the stuff as being OK or not?, give me a break. But he didn't, I wonder why?, no I don't, I know why, he's dirty just like all the others who have been caught.
Of all the professional athletes I've known, I can't think of any that, prior to getting on a physio's table for treatment, stopped and asked for a sample of the cream that was going to be used to check not only the listed ingredients on the cream, and check the suitability of each one, but then also go the step further to check to see that the facility that produces the product doesn't produce anything that's considered contraband, lest the otherwise clean product be contaminated by cross-contamination in the manufacturing process. -
Masters wrote:
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A close source of mine told me that Gay was using this cream for his hip joint. The Dr had told Gay it would help with his joints. He won't give me anymore information but he claims that Gay was given a cream for his hip which turned out to have dhea. The Dr assured him it was food based and contained nothing synthetic. That's why he said that he was let down.
And being a knowledgeable professional athlete earning a high income who, like the rest of us, has been informed hundreds of times, he wouldn't have checked with USADA and/or WADA before using anything? And him being Tyson Gay they wouldn't have bent over backwards to help him identify the stuff as being OK or not?, give me a break. But he didn't, I wonder why?, no I don't, I know why, he's dirty just like all the others who have been caught.
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Left Said Fred wrote:
Masters wrote:
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A close source of mine told me that Gay was using this cream for his hip joint. The Dr had told Gay it would help with his joints. He won't give me anymore information but he claims that Gay was given a cream for his hip which turned out to have dhea. The Dr assured him it was food based and contained nothing synthetic. That's why he said that he was let down.
And being a knowledgeable professional athlete earning a high income who, like the rest of us, has been informed hundreds of times, he wouldn't have checked with USADA and/or WADA before using anything? And him being Tyson Gay they wouldn't have bent over backwards to help him identify the stuff as being OK or not?, give me a break. But he didn't, I wonder why?, no I don't, I know why, he's dirty just like all the others who have been caught.
Of all the professional athletes I've known, I can't think of any that, prior to getting on a physio's table for treatment, stopped and asked for a sample of the cream that was going to be used to check not only the listed ingredients on the cream, and check the suitability of each one, but then also go the step further to check to see that the facility that produces the product doesn't produce anything that's considered contraband, lest the otherwise clean product be contaminated by cross-contamination in the manufacturing process.
Then perhaps you'd better warn all the professional athletes you know that when it comes to putting anything on or in their body, especially of a therapeutic or performance enhancing nature, that in the future they do check. Especially if their income from being a professional athlete runs in to the hundreds of thousands and/or millions of dollars. -
By the way, the lame excuse of "I must of absorbed it through my skin from the cream I was using...", is a old one used plenty of times before. I seem to remember (and I can't be bothered researching it) that Lance even used it.
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You may also like to pass on the following from USADA and WADA to any professional athletes you know (Tyson knew all this of course):
'Athletes can call Athlete Express to reach the Drug Reference Line) on (800) 233-0393 for questions about medications, substances, methods, and other related topics.'
http://www.usada.org/uploads/guideprohibitedlist.pdf
From WADA:
'Should I worry about creams, eye drops and other medications which I do not need to swallow?
You certainly should. Prohibited substances come in different forms and shapes and they may enter your body in different ways: by contact with your skin (creams and ointments), by inhalation (if you breathe in the vapor or mist), by contact with a mucus membrane (eye or ear drops, suppository, etc.).
Any medication applied to your body will likely enter your system to act in the way that is intended (reduce inflammation, relieve pain, kill bacteria, etc), and will be present in your blood before eventually being eliminated by the kidneys and turn up in your urine.'
http://www.wada-ama.org/en/Resources/Q-and-A/Athletes-and-Medications/ -
Exactly. The massage cream theory doesn't pass the sniff test. These athletes have been warned repeatedly to be extremely careful about this sort of thing.
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It would be interesting to know if the carbon isotope test came from a >4:1 testosterone/epitestosterone result or by itself.
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Can someone tell me why an athlete with a 10 year career and a net worth over a 10 million dollars would take a low grade, easily detectable PED I can by in CVS and Walgreens? - This makes no sense to me.
DHEA in men is for muslce health, which means it has some benefit, but it does build the type muscle needed by a world class sprinter. There are much better PEDS, which are also no more riskeyer than DHEA. Why would you rob a 7-11 when there is a jewerly store next door and if you get caught you are going to jail either way. -
All this talk about whether or not Tyson Gay is a doper, and nobody so far has brought up the most important issue:
Is Tyson Gay a dopper?! -
Masters wrote:
Then perhaps you'd better warn all the professional athletes you know that when it comes to putting anything on or in their body, especially of a therapeutic or performance enhancing nature, that in the future they do check. Especially if their income from being a professional athlete runs in to the hundreds of thousands and/or millions of dollars.
Come of it, do you really call the manufacturer of every substance you consume to check that there is no trace of anything illicit? I don't know anyone that does that. At some point, you place a certain level of trust in your care provider, be it a physio, a physician or whatever.
There are men and women that have got an allergy to penicillin, and even though any doctor they may see is informed of this allergy, I wouldn't expect them to then go another step further and make sure that they aren't really being given penicillin instead of a safer antibiotic.
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Left Said Fred wrote:
Come of it, do you really call the manufacturer of every substance you consume to check that there is no trace of anything illicit? I don't know anyone that does that.
No offence, but I don't think you're quite getting the message.
Left Said Fred wrote:
Be honest: how far would your due diligence go?
This far:
'Athletes can call Athlete Express to reach the Drug Reference Line) on (800) 233-0393 for questions about medications, substances, methods, and other related topics.'
http://www.usada.org/uploads/guideprohibitedlist.pdf
From WADA:
'Should I worry about creams, eye drops and other medications which I do not need to swallow?
You certainly should. Prohibited substances come in different forms and shapes and they may enter your body in different ways: by contact with your skin (creams and ointments), by inhalation (if you breathe in the vapor or mist), by contact with a mucus membrane (eye or ear drops, suppository, etc.).
Any medication applied to your body will likely enter your system to act in the way that is intended (reduce inflammation, relieve pain, kill bacteria, etc), and will be present in your blood before eventually being eliminated by the kidneys and turn up in your urine.'
http://www.wada-ama.org/en/Resources/Q-and-A/Athletes-and-Medications/ -
'Come of it, do you really call the manufacturer of every substance you consume to check that there is no trace of anything illicit? I don't know anyone that does that. At some point, you place a certain level of trust in your care provider, be it a physio, a physician or whatever.'
A doctor is treating all people not just athletes. Its not his job to check you need to ask what he is giving you and its your responsibility to check properly
The athletes need to check that why they are taking is not prohibited. He is supposed to be a pro
Every product has a list of ingredients which can be checked in 5 seconds nowadays. What was he doing visiting that quack anyway?
As Merrit tested positive for the same drug you would think he would be more careful. Another one - they are always inoccent! Or maybe they like to take something that the gullible may believe. Its certainly done the trick here
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ukathleticscoach wrote:
A doctor is treating all people not just athletes.
Well to be fair Tyson Gay didn't go to a doctor. He went to a chiropractor. Could as well have gone to a massage salon lady in Chinatown. -
I was a professional athlete (not T&F) for about 3 years, and drug testing was so strict I didn't even both drinking energy drinks. Doctors don't know everything that's in what they're trying to give you. I had one try to explain to me that an inhaler he wanted me to take didn't contain anything that would show up on a drug test. I didn't believe him for one second, and sure enough it was riddled with steroids. It's just not worth it when you have such easy access USADA.
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Nutella1 wrote:
ukathleticscoach wrote:
A doctor is treating all people not just athletes.
Well to be fair Tyson Gay didn't go to a doctor. He went to a chiropractor. Could as well have gone to a massage salon lady in Chinatown.
I'll remember this list of excuses if Mo ever gets busted
