Christine Clark in the basement....OK....DEENA TRAINING IN SWEATPANTS?

dogscalder wrote:

what do you guys think of this? i mean...couldn't you just do some training in a hotter climate? i know it worked, obviously, but does this sound safe? 20-milers in layers of clothing?

maybe because i live in Louisiana and cannot fathom adding clothes, but --- what do you guys think?

You could do some training in a hotter environment but that would also require leaving home. In addition to the expense, you also leave behind a lot of "comfort".

Running in extra layer of clothes is a recommendation from folks like Larry Armstrong (who is very knowledgeable on the issue of heat).

I am coaching a fellow right now to run a marathon in FL in January. I am going to have him running on the treadmill the last two weeks before he goes since the winter where I live will not offer the acclimitization he needs.

Kastor followed the advice given at the marathon "summit" held in San Diego in the spring.

Two weeks is not enough. It takes at least 3 weeks to acclimate and the longer you heat train the better. I have been heat traning fo 25+ years now. (:-)

You guys might want to listen to Benji Durden. He knows what he is talking about regarding heat acclimatization.

In the late 1970's and early 1980's Benji would train in the heat in layers of sweats to teach his 'engine to run cool.'

It is good physiology as long as you replace the fluids and electrolytes lost.

Benji claims he did not invent this idea, but that it came from Ron Daws.

Benji what did you think of KEvin Moats when you were racing him back in the 80s>

so this is commonly done?

You're absolutely right and it's important to hear a runner of your caliber on this matter. About 40 years ago there was a good runner in NYC named Ed Winrow, who later went to Ball State and did work in exercise physiology there. He was terrific in running in summer races because he prepared all year round by always wearing layers and extra layers of clothing.

I often train on the Schuykill river trail where Catherine Ndereba and a few Kenyan men like to train during the summer. Tpical weather is 70F and 95% RH and I'm out without a shirt, dripping sweat everwhere and I see them rolling by with long tights and long sleeve windbreakers on.

I fondly remember Durden showing up for an Atlanta All-Comer's meet in the summer, in full sweats, warm up in them (probably ran there in them), and run a 4:17 mile in them.

luv2run wrote:

Kastor followed the advice given at the marathon "summit" held in San Diego in the spring.

Were you also at this summit?

wow this is interesting. i've always wondered why i suffered so much when there was significant weather change. i might start trying this method and seeing if anything feels better.

Benji Durden wrote:

Two weeks is not enough. It takes at least 3 weeks to acclimate and the longer you heat train the better. I have been heat traning fo 25+ years now. (:-)

And it seems to me that if you're gonna acclimate, the last 2-3 weeks before the race wouldn't be the time to start. What if they don't acclimate well and get heatstroke? It'll be too late.

Glenn Latimer wrote:

You guys might want to listen to Benji Durden. He knows what he is talking about regarding heat acclimatization.

In the late 1970's and early 1980's Benji would train in the heat in layers of sweats to teach his 'engine to run cool.'

It is good physiology as long as you replace the fluids and electrolytes lost.

Benji claims he did not invent this idea, but that it came from Ron Daws.

...and the '84 medals went to two pale skinned guys and a Portugese, none of whom did any heat acclimatization for the LA heat.

i would be more interested in his training..

I can't say I actually raced Kevin until 1991. During the 80's he was certainly in races I ran, but he was on my radar as a competitor, he was just another runner I knew. A bit cocky, but then we all were back then.

I believe he was one of the guys I caught in 1991 in the Atlanta Marathon at about 10 miles and then he was someone I was trying to beat.

BTW that was my last marathon victory (2:28:40 17 years to the day after my first attempt at the marathon, also the Atlanta Marathon). I ran one more a few weeks later winning the masters divison at Huntsville and haven't run one since.

more surpirising is I DIDN'T hear about paula doing heat training. Please don't tell me she skipped it? Did she train somewhere other than the British Isle?

jorvack wrote:

more surpirising is I DIDN'T hear about paula doing heat training. Please don't tell me she skipped it? Did she train somewhere other than the British Isle?

yes

I ran in extra shirts in Louisiana all the time in the fall and spring but not in the summer. Once in Florida I was pulled over by the cops for having hat and gloves on while running late one night. The cops said no one runs with that much stuff on so I must be running from something.

Oh by the way it was old Doc George Sheehan that had me running in extra stuff to get ready for the heat in races.

i repeat...who are you 2.18...is this mike mullan?