here is googles version of translating a Dutch article...
And the original:
Brad should have stayed well away from this this one!
here is googles version of translating a Dutch article...
And the original:
Brad should have stayed well away from this this one!
lol at the email she sent
"I hope I can receive. 24 ampoules of 4000 iu epo ASAP Thank you. Regards, Adrienne."
The stupidity of getting caught upsets me more than the act of taking the PEDs.
Wow she has been running well on the roads recently. Disgusting.
I can't follow that translation well enough to tell what's going on.
Brad has two distinct groups. The Americans and the Europeans. The European women and the American women look completely different and train separately and his guys aren't fast enough to even consider doping. If Adrienne Herzog and Adriana Pirtea got caught doping I wouldn't be surprised, but I don't see Addie Bracy and Allie Kieffer shooting up.
A recent profile of Herzog from Running Times that mentions her time in Spain:
Is the illegality of things like EPO ever enforced or investigated for regular people? If a 40 year old weekend warrior was using it to win small road races, would the DEA care enough to investigate or press charges?
Quick, somebody blow the whistle. She's planning to make her HM debut at Philly RnR in another month.
Are international athletes living in America (whether permanently or temporarily) ever tested out-of-competition? Lots of them are living/competing/racing over here.
She's regular no-show, so don't get tickets yet.
I'll paste a post I wrote elsewhere for those unfamiliar with the case, and impatient with the translation.
Adrienne Herzog
http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adri%C3%ABnne_Herzog
was involved in Operacion Galgo, Eufemiano Fuentes' second big raid.
Track running coach Pascua testified under oath (admitting the crime of facilitating doping) that he had helped her with a doping schedule, and introduced her to Fuentes' helper Leon for blood bag juggling, working towards the European Cross-Country Champ. A phone tap on Pascua presented the Spanish police with a conversation with the athlete asking the trainer for EPO.
The proof in all of Galgo was declared invalid. The Dutch athletics union followed the US cycling - Armstrong protocol. They even put her back on the national squad.
Herzog fled her new home Spain, and soon settled in Boulder, only to show in Europe for main races.
Here the trail ended, until this week.
http://www.vn.nl/Archief/Samenleving...pingmails.htm#
VN, a Dutch national newspaper came out with a summary of 350 emails Herzog exchanged with 2 different doping suppliers, especially one based out of Mexico City where she purchased EPO.
All these emails (likely a simple hack job, in 2012 Herzog tweeted that her mail had been hacked) were presented to the reporter, who set out to meticulously research the case and emails.
Opening a new email address with the same alias allowed to ask the Mexican dealer for a check copy. In stead, the dealer sent the whole email exchange to confirm how the deal had gone down. Identical to leaked emails, from a second independent source.
Interview with the reporter/editor here :
http://losseveter.nl/blog/herzog-ont...r-rob-druppers
Some Dutch doping apologists have again cried the pre-expected "witch hunt". This poor girl, what has she done to deserve such bullying? Well, years earlier, her email exchange with a classmate regarding her E*O injection and the allergic reactions she suffered, were leaked to another newspaper by the classmate who was not going to sit on it, looking for a career in aw enforcement (me working from memory). Of course, it was all denied and nothing changed. Never tested positive, so squeaky clean. No proof!
Herzog along with her then-boyfriend Simon Vroemen (steeple chase olympian and convicted doper, as a M40 still reigning national Steeple Chase champ) together were under the management of convicted doping manager Stefan Matschiner. Matschiner still protects her. Vroemen, he's throne under the bus as having been instrumental in getting the Rabobank riders in touch with himself and Human Plasma.
The Dutch Athletics Union, KNAU or AU for short, have been very reluctant to pursue Vroemen for his positives and indiscretions regarding doping. Like he had something on them. When Herzog got herself in the doping press, same thing and worse. Not only was Herzog put back on the team, when she moved to Boulder the national team came to HER for a training camp. She really is the darling of the union, and the enfant terrible of the sport at the same time. Slicker than a block of butter on hot pan.
With the new revalations, again KNAU came out declaring themselves unfit to act as prosecutor in the case. During the Operacion Galgo aftermath, they acted like they did not have access to the publically available police reports.
To be continued, or to be muffled away, again?
My wild guess angle:
More interesting than the doping of a clearly youth traumatized girl with daddy issues, is what she has on the KNAU for them to be so protective of her. Easy to suppose her intel would have come from Vroemen. Would it be about how they tried to muffle his case for them? Or did Vroemen know something on one of the KNAU's prime members? One of note is Ellen van Langen, '92 Barcelona (of all times and places to win) 800m gold medallist. She runs an athlete management firm, promotes the Diamond League, and sits on the KNAU board with amongst other things, anti-doping on her plate. No conflict off interest there, nothing to see here!
Cloxxki wrote:
She's regular no-show, so don't get tickets yet.
I'll paste a post I wrote elsewhere for those unfamiliar with the case, and impatient with the translation.
Adrienne Herzog
http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adri%C3%ABnne_Herzogwas involved in Operacion Galgo, Eufemiano Fuentes' second big raid.
Track running coach Pascua testified under oath (admitting the crime of facilitating doping) that he had helped her with a doping schedule, and introduced her to Fuentes' helper Leon for blood bag juggling, working towards the European Cross-Country Champ. A phone tap on Pascua presented the Spanish police with a conversation with the athlete asking the trainer for EPO.
The proof in all of Galgo was declared invalid. The Dutch athletics union followed the US cycling - Armstrong protocol. They even put her back on the national squad.
Herzog fled her new home Spain, and soon settled in Boulder, only to show in Europe for main races.
Here the trail ended, until this week.
http://www.vn.nl/Archief/Samenleving...pingmails.htm#VN, a Dutch national newspaper came out with a summary of 350 emails Herzog exchanged with 2 different doping suppliers, especially one based out of Mexico City where she purchased EPO.
All these emails (likely a simple hack job, in 2012 Herzog tweeted that her mail had been hacked) were presented to the reporter, who set out to meticulously research the case and emails.
Opening a new email address with the same alias allowed to ask the Mexican dealer for a check copy. In stead, the dealer sent the whole email exchange to confirm how the deal had gone down. Identical to leaked emails, from a second independent source.
Interview with the reporter/editor here :
http://losseveter.nl/blog/herzog-ont...r-rob-druppersSome Dutch doping apologists have again cried the pre-expected "witch hunt". This poor girl, what has she done to deserve such bullying? Well, years earlier, her email exchange with a classmate regarding her E*O injection and the allergic reactions she suffered, were leaked to another newspaper by the classmate who was not going to sit on it, looking for a career in aw enforcement (me working from memory). Of course, it was all denied and nothing changed. Never tested positive, so squeaky clean. No proof!
Herzog along with her then-boyfriend Simon Vroemen (steeple chase olympian and convicted doper, as a M40 still reigning national Steeple Chase champ) together were under the management of convicted doping manager Stefan Matschiner. Matschiner still protects her. Vroemen, he's throne under the bus as having been instrumental in getting the Rabobank riders in touch with himself and Human Plasma.
The Dutch Athletics Union, KNAU or AU for short, have been very reluctant to pursue Vroemen for his positives and indiscretions regarding doping. Like he had something on them. When Herzog got herself in the doping press, same thing and worse. Not only was Herzog put back on the team, when she moved to Boulder the national team came to HER for a training camp. She really is the darling of the union, and the enfant terrible of the sport at the same time. Slicker than a block of butter on hot pan.
With the new revalations, again KNAU came out declaring themselves unfit to act as prosecutor in the case. During the Operacion Galgo aftermath, they acted like they did not have access to the publically available police reports.
To be continued, or to be muffled away, again?
My wild guess angle:
More interesting than the doping of a clearly youth traumatized girl with daddy issues, is what she has on the KNAU for them to be so protective of her. Easy to suppose her intel would have come from Vroemen. Would it be about how they tried to muffle his case for them? Or did Vroemen know something on one of the KNAU's prime members? One of note is Ellen van Langen, '92 Barcelona (of all times and places to win) 800m gold medallist. She runs an athlete management firm, promotes the Diamond League, and sits on the KNAU board with amongst other things, anti-doping on her plate. No conflict off interest there, nothing to see here!
He's throne under the bus? seriously?
I read through it and it seems to say that the people who prepared the article have a lot of emails implicating Herzog in doping. She was in communication with a doctor in Mexico who could get her the substances she wanted. I think at one point in the article it said the prescriptions were legal in Mexico, but I'm not clear on that. It seemed like it said they got at least some of the emails by emails by emailing the doctor in question pretending to be Herzog and asking if he could provide copies of some things, such as one cheque that she sent that was never cashed and some emails from years earlier.
It also mentions that her ex-boyfriend is Simon Vroenen, who was a steeplechaser implicated in doping a couple of times, and that Herzog got his advice on the drugs both before and after they broke up. Her more recent boyfriend also helped her get the drugs, and sometimes she had them mailed to her in Boulder under the pseudonym Sophie. The more recent boyfriend died in a car accident and she wanted to win European Cross in his honor, which involved more doping.
In the emails she discusses the timing and dosages of the drugs to make sure they clear her system before certain races she's running, including a qualifier for the European Cross meet, where she ended up getting the bronze (2012).
It also mentions her being implicated in Operation Puerto or whatever that was, and that her name was listed along with the Spanish athletes. She's not Spanish, but trained there for a while. Her now-deceased boyfriend was also Spanish, or at least had lived in Spain.
What do you guys make of this paragraph:
"OK, keep it quiet, we do not run to be, on average we have to be smart in this sport, choosing moments, once or twice a year. Do you really think Mo Farah (the reigning champion Olym topically in the 10,000 meters, ed) it saves on pizza and spaghetti? "
Are they implicating Mo Farah (maybe meaning: "Do you really think Mo Farah does it on pizza and spaghetti?") in this? If so, that would be a pretty big accusation to be coming from a doctor who provides drugs to athletes, but it's hard to tell what it means through the translation.
drugs underground wrote:
Are international athletes living in America (whether permanently or temporarily) ever tested out-of-competition? Lots of them are living/competing/racing over here.
I believe not being tested is the whole point. Who is to pay for the $$$ tests? And she lives in Boulder, not the cheapest place to get to.
Jeanny Longo, the ancient cycling pro, also loved to spend lots of time in the US mountains. Also implicated in online EPO purchases BTW.
Fascinating how hard it is for Herzog to find doping. It's the friggin's US of A! Perhaps she was worried to be recognized. And then messes up the emails.
livelikeaballer wrote:
What do you guys make of this paragraph:
"OK, keep it quiet, we do not run to be, on average we have to be smart in this sport, choosing moments, once or twice a year. Do you really think Mo Farah (the reigning champion Olym topically in the 10,000 meters, ed) it saves on pizza and spaghetti? "
Are they implicating Mo Farah (maybe meaning: "Do you really think Mo Farah does it on pizza and spaghetti?") in this? If so, that would be a pretty big accusation to be coming from a doctor who provides drugs to athletes, but it's hard to tell what it means through the translation.
I think that that was an email between her and the other athlete (which the article suggests is Pitrea-Nelson) not with a doctor.
But if it was from a doctor then it has no more credibility than if it's from Nelson. What would the doctor supplying drugs say "none of the top runners take drugs - don't waste your money here" or "everyone takes drugs - look what they have done for athlete X"
tyghj wrote:
Is the illegality of things like EPO ever enforced or investigated for regular people? If a 40 year old weekend warrior was using it to win small road races, would the DEA care enough to investigate or press charges?
Master cyclists are not tested very often, but they are often caught for stuff such as EPO.
Monkey see, monkey do.
And yes, your ADA cares about your cleanliness. They just lack the budget to test you more frequently. So, Masters don't worry about glow time as much, and take EPO right up to the race day.
Makes sense. Like I said, it was hard to tell exactly what was being said (or who was saying it) through the translation anyway.
livelikeaballer wrote:
Makes sense. Like I said, it was hard to tell exactly what was being said (or who was saying it) through the translation anyway.
Give me a specific paragraph and I'll translate it for you. It's more about the bigger picture than bitty details though.
My main comprehension problem was with the emails, because they weren't offset from the text and weren't in quotation marks, and there didn't seem to be anything indicating who was speaking. Plus, many of the sentences were fragmented or poorly translated.
I think I got a good sense of the bigger picture in general - Herzog ordered drugs online and by phone, received them by mail, used the aid of her boyfriend and ex-boyfriend to obtain and use them, and used them to perform well at certain key meets over several years' time. When she didn't get the drugs in time she performed poorly or dropped out a few times, etc. She also managed to deny accusations of doping, although I wasn't entirely clear on how many times that has come up or how she got out of it. I got the sense that it was at least twice in the past five years? I thought her connection to the Spanish bust was interesting and wish they hadn't destroyed that evidence (seriously, what kind of court orders evidence destroyed?), and am a bit worried at how easy it seemed to be for her to get the drugs.
I was mainly interested in the Farah paragraph because it came out of nowhere and didn't seem to have much context, so I wasn't sure what they were trying to say with it.
Has Herzog even raced in the last few years? Iaaf has no results listed past 2010.
Racing on the roads