Thyroid Hormone IS Cheating

It will come. EPO wasn't banned 20 years ago. Now it is. Known users from back then have since been discarded from the history books. Any new performance enhancing trick gets a free ride until the use becomes so rampant that it can no longer be ignored. Al Sal will be aware that the train is starting to run out of track and is likely already looking for the next new "legal today" edge.

Good luck with that! Sounds like you should spend your energy making yourself a better person. No worrying over someelse's health condition that you can not understand. Maybe try reading about it. NO WAY can thyroid makes you a better or fast runner.

Training hard DOES NOT cause hypothyroidism. It may reveal what it is already there but it is not the cause of it. You either have it or don't. Some people who have a genetic predisposition to it may have it reveal to them in training. Just like majority of women that have hypothryoidism is brought after pregnancy. Did pregnancy cause NOPE - it revealed it.

Read Steve Magness article on it. Steve Magness was diagnosed with at the age of 14 before his real training began.

http://www.scienceofrunning.com/2013/04/thyroid-madness-everything-you-need-to.html

End of the BE SMART and Worry more you and less about him.

Excessive distance running reduces thyroid production. There are some studies out there suggesting this, but it is still inconclusive.

http://www.runnersworld.com/health/how-does-endurance-training-affect-your-thyroid-and-vice-versa

Stress to the body has been shown to cause hypothyroidism, so the elite distance runner may fall into this category.

Furthermore, if someone was within the proper range of TSH and increased their thyroid production through supplements, they would become hyperthyroid.

These symptoms would occur which would not enhance your running:

Sudden weight loss, even when your appetite and the amount and type of food you eat remain the same or even increase

Rapid heartbeat (tachycardia) — commonly more than 100 beats a minute — irregular heartbeat (arrhythmia) or pounding of your heart (palpitations)

Increased appetite

Nervousness, anxiety and irritability

Tremor — usually a fine trembling in your hands and fingers

Sweating

Changes in menstrual patterns

Increased sensitivity to heat

Changes in bowel patterns, especially more frequent bowel movements

An enlarged thyroid gland (goiter), which may appear as a swelling at the base of your neck

Fatigue, muscle weakness

Difficulty sleeping

Skin thinning

One of the Johnson Brother's, this website's owner, is on record as hearing from someone-in-the-know that runners stockpile their supply to use before big competitions to cut fat, clearly a performance enhancer.

happyracer wrote:

Training hard DOES NOT cause hypothyroidism.

Joining Salazar causes hypothyroidism.

opinionated guy wrote:

I don't think it stops there. With big daddy Nike's money I think they are so far ahead of the curve with supplements that they are onto many things that are not even tested. They can justify it with "no one has taken anything on the banned substance list," but as you say it is unethical for sure and illegal as well.

Here you go.

And I will go ahead and give a quote. Its really hard to find it. Its on the second page.

"S0. NON-APPROVED SUBSTANCES

Any pharmacological substance which is not addressed by any of the

subsequent sections of the List and with no current approval by any

governmental regulatory health authority for human therapeutic use (e.g

drugs under pre-clinical or clinical development or discontinued, designer

drugs, veterinary medicines) is prohibited at all times."

crack pipe wrote:

happyracer wrote:

Training hard DOES NOT cause hypothyroidism.

Joining Salazar causes hypothyroidism.

Do ALL Salazar athletes visit his doctor in Houston?

Did Jordan Hasay?

What % of Salazar athletes are on thyroid medication?

Thyroid hormone may not be the performance booster that many think it is UNLESS that person was hypothyroid, in the same way that giving Feosol will dramatically "improve" the perfromance of someone with iron depletion. However, to the extent that people think it is a MASKING agent, do we have definitive proof that Mo and Ritz are on thyroid hormone? Do Ritz and Mo use inhalers?

Umm, this only applies to unknown substances. Known substances--actually, combination of substances--that are known, but not determined to be performance enhancers, at least not yet, are excluded from the rule.

redux wrote:

"S0. NON-APPROVED SUBSTANCES

Any pharmacological substance which is not addressed by any of the subsequent sections of the List and with no current approval by any governmental regulatory health authority for human therapeutic use (e.g drugs under pre-clinical or clinical development or discontinued, designer drugs, veterinary medicines) is prohibited at all times."

Keep Sport Pure wrote:

I'm done with allowing athletes like Farah, Rupp tell me that thyroid hormone isn't cheating. It is! Normal people have to deal daily fluctuations in hormone levels and metabolism in response to training but with thyroid hormone you stay perfectly constant without having to worry about this aspect of normal human physiology.

The line was finally crossed for me when I learned that a teammate of mine got a prescription for thyroid hormone this past year. This guy has never been able to beat me and now he's killing me in workouts and races. He's now somehow been able to lose weight, put up ridiculous miles and says he never feels tired.

This stuff is just legalized PEDs!

Hey chief, why don't you try a little experiment and get yourself a prescription. If you search hard enough, you will find a doctor willing to prescribe it. THEN, see how it works for you.

Hey Chief,

Try this experiment.

Train 100 miles plus a week, do killer long interval sessions at high altitude, do workouts after your races, do weights, stretching and form drills, train for both the mile and the 10,000m at the same time, run another 20 plus miles on an underwater treadmill, live in a house that's an altitude chamber and you'll run those hormone levels down. Now boost them back to normal levels with hormone therapy, THEN see how it works.

Keep Sport Pure wrote:

I'm done with allowing athletes like Farah, Rupp tell me that thyroid hormone isn't cheating. It is! Normal people have to deal daily fluctuations in hormone levels and metabolism in response to training but with thyroid hormone you stay perfectly constant without having to worry about this aspect of normal human physiology.

The line was finally crossed for me when I learned that a teammate of mine got a prescription for thyroid hormone this past year. This guy has never been able to beat me and now he's killing me in workouts and races. He's now somehow been able to lose weight, put up ridiculous miles and says he never feels tired.

This stuff is just legalized PEDs!

"Legalized" PEDs. Point being, It is legal. For now anyway.

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Hey chief, why don't you try a little experiment and get yourself a prescription. If you search hard enough, you will find a doctor willing to prescribe it. THEN, see how it works for you.[/quote]

I am trying that. See a couple posts above, Chief.

It's not your opinion, and it is your stretching of facts to create your beliefs and accusations.

There is no smoke around Salazar unless you are cynical and paranoid. All of these "associations" you keep repeating are benign under further investigation.

Yesterday is not today.

Support WADA, avoid random speculation or unsubstantiated accusations.

No one knows which if Salazars athletes are hypothyroid and which are not, people here post that they are all on thyroid meds, which is not true and intended to deceive.

Jury is out wrote:

This has been beat to death before on the message boards, but the actual science is still inconclusive at this point:

http://www.runnersworld.com/health/how-does-endurance-training-affect-your-thyroid-and-vice-versahttp://www.runnersworld.com/health/vo2-and-the-low-but-normal-thyroid

Yes, and there is controversy and no real consensus in the medical community as to what constitutes diagnosis of hypothyroidism. It is an ongoing debate -- wildly so -- outside of the athletic community.

Everyday sports fans are not medical experts, neither was the WSJ article definitive.

The previous threads here with many thyroid patents, clearly point out that it is dangerous to your health and counter productive to take thyroid meds if you don't need them.

It is very hard to get thyroid replacement therapy meds balanced right, and it seems for every story posted about an athlete doing okay with it, there is an example of an athlete who's career was never the same again.

Repeated, irresponsible speculation and unproven accusations are just that.

The Conte "association" was nothing more than Conte cold calling Salazar and pitching him a mineral supplement, for which Salazar placed on order, tried it, and never had any association with Conte again. That was years and years before Conte cooked up the cream and the clear.

Calling Gunderson an "EPO," expert is also deceptive. He's an expert on the effects of altitude training first, and in the course of that has done EPO studies.

Right there are two examples of how people disingenuously stretch "associations," and "facts," in order to fit their cynical and paranoid agendas.

Personally I think the results of Salazar's athletes are too uneven to indicate a problem. Over the course of 20 years of coaching or more, he's had very little success. And the success he is having right now is likely to be his peak unless he can continue to attract top athletes -- just like an NFL team that gets the best free agents every year because they have a tradition of winning.

If his recruiting tailors off, so will Salazar's time in the limelight as a coach.

heywhatsthis wrote:

http://thinksteroids.com/articles/thyroid-hormone-growth-hormone/

it's used with growth hormone

common knowledge among bodybuilders

Doesn't mean it works for runners.

happyracer wrote:

Good luck with that! Sounds like you should spend your energy making yourself a better person. No worrying over someelse's health condition that you can not understand. Maybe try reading about it. NO WAY can thyroid makes you a better or fast runner.

Training hard DOES NOT cause hypothyroidism. It may reveal what it is already there but it is not the cause of it. You either have it or don't. Some people who have a genetic predisposition to it may have it reveal to them in training. Just like majority of women that have hypothryoidism is brought after pregnancy. Did pregnancy cause NOPE - it revealed it.

Read Steve Magness article on it. Steve Magness was diagnosed with at the age of 14 before his real training began.

http://www.scienceofrunning.com/2013/04/thyroid-madness-everything-you-need-to.html

End of the BE SMART and Worry more you and less about

him.

Anyone who has not read Magness's blog article about this issue and/or more, is not informed on thyroid meds -- and shouldn't bother to make unintelligent an incorrect accusations.

It is ignorant and irresponsible. We now have a poster who has volunteered to use thyroid meds on himself as a guinie pig, very dangerous and ill advised.

Keep Sport Pure wrote:

I'm done with allowing athletes like Farah, Rupp tell me that thyroid hormone isn't cheating.

I haven't seen any evidence at all that Farah is taking thyroid hormone. When this has been posted in the past, I've asked for a link and no one has ever provided one. Of Salazar's athletes, I believe it has been acknowledged that Rupp, Begley, and Adam Goucher have taken thyroid medication. I'm not aware of others.