Hicham El Guerrouj Training Log

i loved watching el g

but now with hindsight not so much

what's the point in studying as peds were involved

mistermano wrote:

i loved watching el g

but now with hindsight not so much

what's the point in studying as peds were involved

agreed...

What, why are you combining European runners with African runners. They are nothing alike.

ConfusedHSer wrote:

Wrong. El Guerrouj ran the equivalent of a 3:42 mile, meaning he ran ran less than a minute slower than his mile pace every day. That's like a 4:30 high school miler running under 5:30 pace every day. Impossible.

Confused HSer, you're dumb. As you get faster, it gets exponentially harder. 5:00 is not that much harder than 5:30. 4:30 is MUCH harder than 5:00. 4:00 is an entirely different planet than 4:30. 3:43 is lightyears from 4:00.

i saw the man mentioned at the end of this article Jon Wild run workouts in Maryland in 1998, under coach Jama Bile with Julius Achon. I was an 18 year old 4:25 miler and watched in amazement as Achon, Wild and Jama's little brother ran 12x400 in 55-56 secs with a very short rest. Seeing how they were all good runners but nowhere near El Guerrouj, it's not unreasonable to think that El G did the same workout 2-3 seconds faster for each repeat.

I've posted this before here, but I did a session at Stanford with Noah Ngeny and the rest of Kim McDonald's group 5-6 weeks before Noah ran his 3:43.30 mile (just behind ElG's WR).

He ran 3x4x400 with 60sec then 3min rec and averaged 55-56 sec for all of them. Last set was closer to the 55 point. He killed everyone that day (I was reduced to running just 200's in the last set -pacing Noah thru the first 200 in 27 point). We are talking about a group containing 3:31-3:35 guys.

So if he was in mile WR shape and only running 55-56 in sets of 4, I can't see the above athlete doing 12 straight in the same time and I can't see ElG doing 10 with 30 sec rest in 53 sec.

JRinaldi wrote:

I've posted this before here, but I did a session at Stanford with Noah Ngeny and the rest of Kim McDonald's group 5-6 weeks before Noah ran his 3:43.30 mile (just behind ElG's WR).

He ran 3x4x400 with 60sec then 3min rec and averaged 55-56 sec for all of them. Last set was closer to the 55 point. He killed everyone that day (I was reduced to running just 200's in the last set -pacing Noah thru the first 200 in 27 point). We are talking about a group containing 3:31-3:35 guys.

So if he was in mile WR shape and only running 55-56 in sets of 4, I can't see the above athlete doing 12 straight in the same time and I can't see ElG doing 10 with 30 sec rest in 53 sec.

3:26 is worth faster than 3:43.

well.. wrote:

10x400@53-54 with 30 rest is impossible. The classic 1500 prediction workout is 100x400 with 60 rest. 55 second laps is 1500 WR pace. If El G really was able to do that workout the WR should have been much faster.

No it's not.

viking warrior wrote:

From his 1997 (the year before 3:26.00) season---

http://run-down.com/guests/mv_el_guerrouj.php

I'm sure a lot of you have seen this before but some of the stuff he does is incredible. His weight room sessions cover absolutely every muscle group and are done with super high reps. His easy runs are around 4:40 pace.

Some workouts he does regularly:

4x2000 @ 5:10 with 2 min rests

6x1000 @ 2:30 with 2 min rests

10x400 @53-54 with 30 second rests

10x300 @35-36 with surges

Please leave doping accusations out of the discussion!

An interesting thought someone mentioned to me is that he "trains like a 5k/10k runner but races the mile".

That wasn't a training log, it was his proposed training schedule.

jono wrote:

well.. wrote:

10x400@53-54 with 30 rest is impossible. The classic 1500 prediction workout is 100x400 with 60 rest. 55 second laps is 1500 WR pace. If El G really was able to do that workout the WR should have been much faster.

No it's not.

If you take your time and read what I wrote slowly then perhaps even you will understand. You don´t run 10x400 with 30s rest at your 1500m PB pace. It doesn´t matter if you are El G or a 4 min 1500 guy.

I did read what you wrote. And you are still wrong.

I did sessions that you would claim are impossible.

Is there a possibility that 4:40 pace is per km rather than per mile?

Kody Anderson wrote:

Is there a possibility that 4:40 pace is per km rather than per mile?

no

mdmdm wrote:

JRinaldi wrote:

I've posted this before here, but I did a session at Stanford with Noah Ngeny and the rest of Kim McDonald's group 5-6 weeks before Noah ran his 3:43.30 mile (just behind ElG's WR).

He ran 3x4x400 with 60sec then 3min rec and averaged 55-56 sec for all of them. Last set was closer to the 55 point. He killed everyone that day (I was reduced to running just 200's in the last set -pacing Noah thru the first 200 in 27 point). We are talking about a group containing 3:31-3:35 guys.

So if he was in mile WR shape and only running 55-56 in sets of 4, I can't see the above athlete doing 12 straight in the same time and I can't see ElG doing 10 with 30 sec rest in 53 sec.

It may be faster, but not by leaps and bounds.

3:26 is worth faster than 3:43.

Imagine running a mile 3:44 then running a 60 second lap on top of that. Yea - El G totally owned that. He was capable of the workout.

He later admitted that he overtrained and was primary reason for losiing in Sydney.

WhyNot? wrote:

Imagine running a mile 3:44 then running a 60 second lap on top of that. Yea - El G totally owned that. He was capable of the workout.

He later admitted that he overtrained and was primary reason for losiing in Sydney.

He lost in Sydney because of his hubris. He got cocky. He was on top of the world. He had just set 3 world records and won 3 world titles. He had his teammate be a pace maker for him. Noah outkicking him was an enormous shock, and an enormous wake up call. The amount of emotion and buildup to the 04 Olympic 1500 was fueled by the aching reminder of this mistake, and the tragic mishap of '96.

didn he almost die onetime at a meet

his blood was so thick from all the epo

Why all the negativity?! Hicham won double gold in the Olympics. All the poster here have won Zero. Hicham has world records. Posters here have none. Appreciate what he has done & show a little more respect! Do not compare your times with his, his is an Elite!!!

jono wrote:

No it's not.

Roger Bannister

Steve Cram

Many, many others...

disagree with you.

Yes, it is.