How does someone break the national high school record in August... technically did he not graduate high school? I could see if he ran this time at Junior Worlds but come on. How many highschool runners have the opportunity to run a ran such as this in August... such Bullshit.
Crawl back under the board walk in OC you idiot. 13:37 is 13:37 no matter what month he runs it in.
just to be a dick, its was july 31st
I'm not trying to take away from how impressive his race was, but merely trying to say July 31st is not exactly with in the bounds of a 'high school season'. Its completely unfair to other high school athletes, that he has such an aray of great opportunities that others do not share.
lol, i cant believe how stuck in the past some of the people on this board are. Sure lindgren was an awesome runner but it's about time someone breaks records that are 25 or more years old. Who cares when it was broken, the only thing that matters is that he was able enough to break the record and he did.
Fabolous Wilson wrote:
How does someone break the national high school record in August... technically did he not graduate high school? I could see if he ran this time at Junior Worlds but come on. How many highschool runners have the opportunity to run a ran such as this in August... such Bullshit.
geezusfreakinchrist! Give the kid his due. He's a high school kid and he ran a high school record.
Just for comparison's sake, what was the date of Lindgren's 5k record? Someone on here has the stat filed away in their head or hard-drive.
(5000..13:44.0*..Gerry Lindgren (Rogers, Spokane, Washington)..Compton, California...6/ 5/64)
June 5th almost 2 months before Rupp...
(Lindgren straight out of Compton...)
How old was Lindgren at the time?
Fabolous Wilson wrote:
I'm not trying to take away from how impressive his race was, but merely trying to say July 31st is not exactly with in the bounds of a 'high school season'. Its completely unfair to other high school athletes, that he has such an aray of great opportunities that others do not share.
How do you propose everyone have the same chance? What about the kids who go to Jr Worlds? They have an opportunity others do not.
It would be interesting to see the definition of "high school" for this purpose however. If the definition is "not entered college yet", then Rupp is legit.
13.37 is fast for an 18 year old US runner regardless.
luv2run wrote:
[quote]Fabolous Wilson wrote:
It would be interesting to see the definition of "high school" for this purpose however. If the definition is "not entered college yet", then Rupp is legit.
13.37 is fast for an 18 year old US runner regardless.
I believe Track and Field News considers the high school season to go through August 31st. I don't know if there is some kind of nationwide governing body for high school track.
If some folks are going to get hung up on the high school/post-high school thing, then I'll just point out that it is a new American Junior record. Anybody want to quibble with that?
...Besides, high school records CAN be set until August 31st of the summer after which said senior graduated! In addition, didn't the likes of Lindgtren, Pre, and Ryun competete against some international competition the summer after they graduated as well?
I agree.....Once you graduate high school you should not be able to break HS record. At least when Webb broke the mile record he was still taking finals! That is horse shit!
MD wrote:
I agree.....Once you graduate high school you should not be able to break HS record. At least when Webb broke the mile record he was still taking finals! That is horse shit!
So do we know if Lindgren's 13:44 was BEFORE or AFTER he graduated high school? Someone earlier established the date as June 5th. If it was the day after he graduated, do you think Lindgren did not legitimately hold the HS record? Just curious....
You are a complete idiot. Some schools end in early-mid May, some in mid-June. What would you do in this situation? The track season extends after the school year. Most kids have already graduated by the time AOC rolls around. How the hell could a mark recorded at the HS national champs in mid June not be considered for HS record purposes? Ryun used it, Webb used it, Rupp used it... the summer after senior year is legit, that's the way it always has been.
Some people...
With that reasoning all the class year (jr soph frosh)records would then be once you've taken your finals? or the same date as graduation allowing exact one yr 365 day periods? Of course this would vary from school to school
They havent entered the next grade til there in class in Sept.
They havent matriculated at Whatsamatta U, they're still a HSer
Get your own argument; using JR's is lame and played. Remove thyself from his nuts, Mr. OC.
should they take rupp's junior record away too, jackass?
I am also uncomfortable with Rupp's records, but can't really put my finger on the exact reason. I guess it's because Lindgren and Ritz did it the old-fashioned way, on their own running on a high school team, more in the spirit of what my own high school situation was like: a bunch of guys sign up for a team, some run a lot, some run a little, and the coach may or may not know what he's doing. You all meet up with other similar teams every once in a while for a race. Amateurism just seems to be what I like most about high school sports, and so all this professional training and special race set-ups going on with Rupp doesn't sit well with me.
Personally, I consider the high school season over when the high school championships have been held. After that, it's club running, and that's not the same as high school.
Lindgren was much better, but Rupp is totally legit... Ritz got some special treatment: they let him into USATF champs when he was a fraction off the qualifying time, and his racing at USATF was what allowed him to run the 13:44.7.
Was it "unfair" that Rupp got Salazar as a coach, underwater treadmills, etc? Maybe a little. By the same logic, it was also unfair the Lindgren could run 88 mile long runs without getting 17 stress fractures like I know I would. I could probably never run again if I tried an 88 mile long run.
Life is unfair. People have different advantages. So far Rupp is the fastest ever HS runner over 5000m. That's the way it goes.
Rupp is the man. Lindgren is the man. Rupp ran faster than Lindgren. Lindgren was better overall.