Interesting...
"I never in my wildest dreams thought I would leave Coach Wetmore. I started with him and thought I would end with him and that is the way it was going to be. Looking back, I wish that I hadn’t gone to Alberto. I wish that never happened. I wish I could have just gone to Oregon and learned how to be a professional athlete because that is what we were lacking."
From this interview with Gary Cohen:
What i found more interesting is that he didn't have anything to put for an embarrassing moment.
It doesn't sound like he is slamming Salazar. It just sounds like he really respects Wetmore and wishes he could have advanced his career without having to leave Colorado.
lol Goucher sees guys like Rupp running faster than he ever dreamed of, winning medals, and achieving great success. That just has him seething mad. It's hilarious to watch him break down.
whatever happened to the "Deer Adam Goucher" thread?
Koneko wrote:
lol Goucher sees guys like Rupp running faster than he ever dreamed of, winning medals, and achieving great success. That just has him seething mad. It's hilarious to watch him break down.
How do you know?
Koneko wrote:
lol Goucher sees guys like Rupp running faster than he ever dreamed of, winning medals, and achieving great success. That just has him seething mad. It's hilarious to watch him break down.
Wow, you are an idiot. Goucher was one of the main people who brought American distance running out of an almost two decade slump. Also, I believe it is safe to say that there would be no Galen Rupp without an Adam Goucher. He was one of Salazar's main guinea pigs when the Oregon Project started building steam. Your post makes him seem like a slow poke. Why don't you actually look up his PR's before posting something so ignorant and arrogant.
So he wishes he could have left Wetmore to go to Oregon to learn to be professionals but wihout Salazar? Without Salazar, I doubt Goucher would have been able to do as well as he did late in his career, and Kara win bronze. He had a very good national level career, shame he's jealous of Rupp and seems to be letting that ruin the Goucher's previous relationship with him (like a little brother supposedly).
Interesting. I'm sure he realizes his wife has thrived in Portland. We'll never know, but I'm guessing he would have been chronically injured in Colorado as well. Tough as nails, but couldn't stay healthy for any extended stretch.
I wish I could have gone to Oregon at the beach in Santa Barbara.
Is that a "slam".. Just sounds like a guy that wishes he could have kept training with his first real coach and mentor. Granted it's not an endorsement, but not a "slam".
ghjfgjdf wrote:
whatever happened to the "Deer Adam Goucher" thread?
It was Deer Kara Goucher. They deleted it. I worked pretty hard on that thread. lol
ataglance wrote:
Is that a "slam".. Just sounds like a guy that wishes he could have kept training with his first real coach and mentor. Granted it's not an endorsement, but not a "slam".
It is a sensational headline in order to get more hits on Gary's website. He does this on a routine basis.
Without reading the entire article and knowing the context of the statement one cannot judge what Adam 'meant' by that line.
there was no slump; that myth is manufactured and actually a fairly big lie.
demographics:
you had a baby boom in the US and those kids grew up competed up through the early 90's...and those baby boomers had some offspring who also have a peak. we're seeing the second boom. 350 million people now in the US now versus 175 million or so when Pre graduated from HS. I am counting immigrant population here, of course, documented and otherwise all of which adds greatly to our talent pool.
faster runners tackling longer distances:
up until the 2000's it was quite rare to see a sub 3:56 miler in the 10000m for the US or anywhere else for that matter. Rupp and Solinsky as ~3:50 milers have a distinct advantage over a 4-4:02 miler in the 10000m, roughly a 2sec/lap at minimum advantage and this primarily due to speed-side, not stamina per se. Solinsky was on Lagat's heels for a few seasons before he applied that speed development to the 10000m.
Bekele runs less miles than Viren but at their best, Bekele laps Viren quite easily. The explanation is found speed-side.
The first US runner to break 28:00 in 10000m would have had a hard time running 12.3sec for 100m with a running start. Rupp can run 11sec for 100m with a running start.
Goucher was successful because he was faster than the guys who ran distances for the US in the 90's -- but tough as he was he was never fast enough at shorter distances to approach 27 flat for 10000m just as those stars from the 90's were never going to go much sub 27:20 whatever the training volume, whatever the willingness to hurt.
Go uch yerself wrote:
Koneko wrote:lol Goucher sees guys like Rupp running faster than he ever dreamed of, winning medals, and achieving great success. That just has him seething mad. It's hilarious to watch him break down.
Wow, you are an idiot. Goucher was one of the main people who brought American distance running out of an almost two decade slump. Also, I believe it is safe to say that there would be no Galen Rupp without an Adam Goucher. He was one of Salazar's main guinea pigs when the Oregon Project started building steam. Your post makes him seem like a slow poke. Why don't you actually look up his PR's before posting something so ignorant and arrogant.
Calm down there, Adam. It's a thread on the Internet!
Even after controlling for birth rate, there is still a slump in performance during the mid '90s:
http://runningwritings.blogspot.com/2012/07/brief-thoughts-rise-fall-and-resurgence.html
Kara and Adam have not read these boards in many years.
This will piss off some wrote:
Calm down there, Adam. It's a thread on the Internet!
Yeah, "speed" is why there was a slump. which is why there were more sub-9 3200 high schoolers in 2011 than in all of the ninetys.
Lex's Rozay wrote:
Yeah, "speed" is why there was a slump. which is why there were more sub-9 3200 high schoolers in 2011 than in all of the ninetys.
If they are faster, then all of those high schoolers must be doping.