I was surprised by his slow time. Although conditions werent great with the wind and rain, but Heavyweight Boxing gold medalist Anthony Joshua (6'4" 17st/238lbs) won the race in 11.5. Seeing that Mo can run a 52/53 sec on a last lap of a 5/10k race, which I thought would indicate a sub 50 sec 400m flat race, 12.9 for 100m is awefully slow. Even if it was run in November and he hadn't trained for it? Agree?
agree. you win. round over
12.9 is the pace for a 52 second 400, so clearly he can run faster if he really wanted to. It's probably a combination of the off season and Salazar saying not to push hard for fear of needless injury
I'm telling you guys, its a big jump to go fast in sprinting from blocks.
It takes big muscles and training, just like distance running requires little muscles and training.
yygg wrote:
12.9 is the pace for a 52 second 400, so clearly he can run faster if he really wanted to. It's probably a combination of the off season and Salazar saying not to push hard for fear of needless injury
Wrong.12.9 is more like 49 flat pace. The first part of the 100 is slow due to the start. If he maintained his pace he'd be around 49.
Mrr82 wrote:
yygg wrote:12.9 is the pace for a 52 second 400, so clearly he can run faster if he really wanted to. It's probably a combination of the off season and Salazar saying not to push hard for fear of needless injury
Wrong.12.9 is more like 49 flat pace. The first part of the 100 is slow due to the start. If he maintained his pace he'd be around 49.
In no way does a slow start cost 3 seconds.
yygg wrote:
Mrr82 wrote:Wrong.12.9 is more like 49 flat pace. The first part of the 100 is slow due to the start. If he maintained his pace he'd be around 49.
In no way does a slow start cost 3 seconds.
It doesn't cost 3 seconds. It was never a 52 second 400. Think about it a little differently
yygg wrote:
Mrr82 wrote:Wrong.12.9 is more like 49 flat pace. The first part of the 100 is slow due to the start. If he maintained his pace he'd be around 49.
In no way does a slow start cost 3 seconds.
Max start velocity for Mo would be about 18.5 miles/hour. Thus, yes it would be aroudn 49 seconds(consider this-when applying to over 400 meters you consider that the start hampers the athlete by 0.75 second per 100m. When looking at the first 10 meters comparative to an athlete of high caliber who does a GOOD acceleration, we can see the start costs about ~0.85-0.9 seconds(see Bolts 8.70 relay split and 9.58 WR 100m). Keep in mind we are multiplying this by a factor of 4 and then subtracting by 0.9 for start in a 400(so actually multiply by a factor of 3).
This comes out to about 49 pace, which with his endurance, in the 100 meter, in better conditions, and harder pushed would be about 12.7 seconds. Thus, comes out to about 48.2 pace for 100 meters(based on effort) or near this.
At best speed phase, he could probably do ~12.4 from blocks, which indicates ~47 even spread effort, with more block work maybe ~46.5 even spread effort. Of course, considering the longetivity of the 400 meter, we can add about 3 seconds to this time(based on endurance, for sprint athlete would be 4) and assume at best shape he could run 49.5-50 flat 400m. This seems about right, these guys are not blazing fast 400m runners... Especially Mo, who Salazar has said has less basic speed then Galen except Mo is able to sustain a harder pace at the end of a more difficult effort better than Galen. So maybe Galen is 49.5, Mo 50-50.5.
Seems about right, actually. People say how slow "only" sub-13 is, but these guys are distance runners and have little basic block work or acceleration/standing start work at all, they really are very, very slow 100m runners. This shouldn't surprise anyone, especially given the conditions and period of time when this was run. Nothing to see here except delusions distance runners are actually good at sprinting. Move along please.
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Max start velocity for Mo would be about 18.5 miles/hour.
Mo got a running start? Then that 12.9 was really bad.
call it low-12 in good weather/peak condition & low-24 for 200
add 3s to double the 200 time ( 4s for most sprinters, but mo has better endurance ) & we are getting
~ low/mid-51
open 400 speed, which is about what is expected
i reckoned at his peak this year he was somewhere along these lines
51.3 / 1'48.0 ->
3'31.7
7'23.7
12'44.3
26'36.0
or
51.4 / 1'48.2 ->
3'32.1
7'24.4
12'45.5
26'38.5
or
51.5 / 1'48.3 ->
3'32.1
7'24.1
12'44.5
26'35.2
& i'm pretty happy with those...
I think he was doing strides.
I was there, he wasn't taking the event seriously
Rather a bit of fun to get his name out there as he has been on a major promotion binge lately
This whole thread gets a huge LOL
FAT timing?
Block start?
Actually 100m?
Surface?
Wind?
Obviously the whole thing was entirely BOGUS.
There is no way the heavyweight goes "11.5" for an actual FAT 100m from the blocks. ROTFLMAO
In fact, there is little chance of him going 12.50
Details?
Why is there no way the heavyweight can run 11.50? That's not a fast time
Did you bother to look the video link above?
They started from the blocks, they ran 100m and it was FAT
ventolin^3 wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjwye6P0Kpccall it low-12 in good weather/peak condition & low-24 for 200
add 3s to double the 200 time ( 4s for most sprinters, but mo has better endurance ) & we are getting
~ low/mid-51
open 400 speed, which is about what is expected
You do not lose that much speed over 100m if you are not in full training as a distance runner
Training has more of an effect on speed endurance rather than flat out sprinting speed only an out an out srpinter would lose that much
No runner can maintain their 100m flat speed for 400m so to say that speed was what you would expect is not right
I was surprised he did not run faster than 12.98 even if the conditions were not great. That boxer managed a good time!
Yeah, but Rupp could go sub 11.00 from a standing start according to some idiots on these boards.
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The track as very wet though
Nobody would expect him to run that slow over 100m though and he dipped for the line so was taking it seriously:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjwye6P0Kpc
That is 26 second pace for 200m and for someone with a good finish you would expect faster
He was even more shocking on the bike though. I'm amazed any elite athlete could perform so badly on a sport still endurance based
Back to the 100m Bolt ran his first world record on a wet track so where Ventie gets him slowing by nearly a second I don't know
Wrong.12.9 is more like 49 flat pace. The first part of the 100 is slow due to the start. If he maintained his pace he'd be around 49.[/quote]
Have you ever run. What runner can maintain their 100m pace for 400m. forget the start once you go past 200m you start to slow down..a lot!