Note to Wetmore: EMU is in Ypsilanti, MI

EMU beat CU by 25 points. I think he knows by now. Great job this year.

Buff Kisser: Yeah, but if we had Ritz and Slattery healthy and Goucher and Culpepper had more eligibility then we would beat Stanford and EMU!

Congrats to Boaz on winning the master's title.

Portland Runner wrote:

Buff Kisser: Yeah, but if we had Ritz and Slattery healthy and Goucher and Culpepper had more eligibility then we would beat Stanford and EMU!

Congrats to Boaz on winning the master's title.

I'm aware that nothing I'm going to say will persuade you to think otherwise about Boaz's age, however, indulge me, please. If you have some proof that he's older than 24, I can think of certain people in high places that'd like to see it. Otherwise, please, don't post such throwoff comments about his age.

Having said that, it was a tremendous race for men and women and Jorge was awesome. I don't have a problem w/Mark W not knowing where EMU is. What's important are the final results. About having folks healthy, dude, you and I both know that that's a large part of the pic in running.

Nah, nice job - and with a mostly American/local team. Two well-known imports, but otherwise? Props are deserved and given.

You can?t seriously expect a guy to know the location of every school in America, can you? Tell us where Northern Colorado is, or Southern Utah, or Southwest Missouri. I have no clue, either. I never saw it as any kind of slam when he said it.

And would they have done better with Ritz and a healthy Slats? What do you think?

And as for Wet?s main point, how DID Jorge do, anyway?

You don't need to know where anything is when you live in the Republic of Boulder.

1. Move to Boulder, get a divorce.

2. Save the baby seals, kill the babies.

3. Force all chain stores out of town and all tax revenue.

4. Blame the porch furniture for the fires.

5. History started when I moved to town.

6. Complain because the city is broke.

Scott and Buff Naked,

Guys, lighten up. I'm kidding around. I am playing off the fact that accusations and excuses run rampant on this board and often become quite absurd. Buff Kisser is just a character that I made up. (I like to keep my post name so that you know where the comment came from)

CU ran well despite some key injuries and illnesses. With a healthy crew, they would have given Stanford a good run. But, that's the breaks and Stanford has scoreboard.

Boaz is a great talent and EMU does a nice job considering they are not a "major" university with bottomless fund raising opportunities. If any of the age or professionalism accusations were true, the NCAA would have found them by now.

I am glad that the NCAA season is over so that we can focus our energies on unfounded drug allegations, meaningful discussions abount Title IX, spankies, and hoof whammies.

Congrats on your team finish. But wetmore's remark was directed at Boaz whom torres destroyed. But it is a team sport. Keep it up emu

Mr. Hubbard,

You say that you know of certain people that would be interested in Boaz's actual age. I say Bull Shit. Who of importance is interested? The NCAA could care less about Cross-Country. The administration at EMU cares about as much as they did about the 12th hour miracle made up incompletes that allowed your 800 meter medalist to regain elgibility every year. You Mr. Hubbard are always trying to figure out who these unknown posters are. Well now it is your turn, who are these interested parties (names please) that would have any influence in changing things. Congrats to EMU on your third place finish. But the most entertaining part of the race was Boaz who was with the lead pack of 4 through almost 8k who completely shut down once he was broke. This is the same guy that we were told through a temper tantrum at MAC because he was interested in the teams success. I once again say Bull Shit. He was pissed that he didn't win and it became more obvious when he shut down at Nationals. Great job to the rest of the EMU guys, you guys busted your asses the entire race. It is a shame that your top gun was so selfish.

You seem to have some inside info about the NCAA, compliance officials and EMU who have a stake in the eligibility of Boaz. It's wrong to frivolously dismiss the NCAA as only being interested in the eligibility of an athlete in certain sports. Not sure? Quiz the compliance official at any NCAA school. Portland Runner is correct in thinking that all those w/an interest in Boaz's eligibility has probably given him the twice-over.

Per Boaz tanking...dude, first, let's give it up for Jorge and his great race! Always up there, helping set the pace and put on a tremendous finishing drive. A special thing to watch.

I spoke w/Boaz after and (at the risk of others taking this news and having a field day w/it) he told me that he'd woken Monday morn w/a headache, didn't take anything for it and at about the 6 km mark, it had gotten so bad and was causing him such distress that he backed off. He said that if he wasn't on a team, he would've dropped out. Not sure a headache can get that bad....well, you've asked the right guy! Y E S, yes it can. Because it's improbable that a headache like that would go away seconds after finishing a demanding 10 km cross race, he was still woozy and, naturally, unhappy w/how the race turned out.

I was standing next to Boaz when he and Jorge exchanged greetings after the awards and Jorge said, "I'll see you in track," and Boaz replied yes and congratulated the Buff. Boaz took pics w/all who wanted and sounded sincere in his happiness w/the team's finish.

You seem to have some inside info about the NCAA, compliance officials and EMU who have a stake in the eligibility of Boaz. It's wrong to frivolously dismiss the NCAA as only being interested in the eligibility of an athlete in certain sports. Not sure? Quiz the compliance official at any NCAA school. Portland Runner is correct in thinking that all those w/an interest in Boaz's eligibility has probably given him the twice-over.

Per Boaz tanking...dude, first, let's give it up for Jorge and his great race! Always up there, helping set the pace and put on a tremendous finishing drive. A special thing to watch.

I spoke w/Boaz after and (at the risk of others taking this news and having a field day w/it) he told me that he'd woken Monday morn w/a headache, didn't take anything for it and at about the 6 km mark, it had gotten so bad and was causing him such distress that he backed off. He said that if he wasn't on a team, he would've dropped out. Not sure a headache can get that bad....well, you've asked the right guy! Y E S, yes it can. Because it's improbable that a headache like that would go away seconds after finishing a demanding 10 km cross race, he was still woozy and, naturally, unhappy w/how the race turned out.

I was standing next to Boaz when he and Jorge exchanged greetings after the awards and Jorge said, "I'll see you in track," and Boaz replied yes and congratulated the Buff. Boaz took pics w/all who wanted and sounded sincere in his happiness w/the team's finish.

Yes, I know I sent my message twice, twice........

1. You said "I CAN THINK OF CERTAIN PEOPLE IN HIGH PLACES THAT WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT (proof of age)" The question is still out there. Who? You said you can think of people. I say Bull Shit. Give me names of these people in high places that you speak of.

2. Boaz went through the 7k with the leaders at 20:23 (I got the split myself. Torres ran 8:42 for his last 3k and Boaz ran 9:24. That means that if they were running on an indoor 200 meter track Boaz would have been lapped. I consider that shutting down for an athlete of his level.

Dirt, nothing against you, but Scott has a pretty good reputation for knowing a thing or two about running. He's been around the block, knows MI running in and out. Again, don't take this the wrong way, but I'll go with a Scott Hubbard well before I'll go with a Dirt without much of a thought.

Portland Runner, who cares about Title IX or spankies? Man, this is NOT your thread!!

EMU did a great job and deserves credit but there is no reason to get cocky. After all, their star runner ritz was out and there #3 runner had mono, not to mention their top two runners were domestic not forign.

Dirt wrote:

1. You said "I CAN THINK OF CERTAIN PEOPLE IN HIGH PLACES THAT WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT (proof of age)" The question is still out there. Who? You said you can think of people. I say Bull Shit. Give me names of these people in high places that you speak of.

2. Boaz went through the 7k with the leaders at 20:23 (I got the split myself. Torres ran 8:42 for his last 3k and Boaz ran 9:24. That means that if they were running on an indoor 200 meter track Boaz would have been lapped. I consider that shutting down for an athlete of his level.

DIRT: you are a HARD man to please and I don't plan to spend anymore time trying. Have a nice day.

Mr. Hubbard, Mr. Hubbard, Mr. Hubbard,

You really embarass yourself to get on here and rant about Boaz's "headache." I wasn't even going to touch this thread because, as crooked as the EMU program is, they were still third. That is pretty damn good. Boaz, however, got spanked. He gave up when he knew he couldn't hang and disregarded his team completely. What a team player! (sarcasm) Another thing. At the beginning of this thread you challenged people to find proof that Boaz is older than 24. Well, at the begginning of the Cross season you were challenging people to find that he was older than 22. Then later in the year you challenged for proof he was older than 23. Now 24????? What is going on here? You keep changing his age.

Congrats to Stanford! The true team of All-AMERICAN, home grown studs.

Jorge Torres, thanks for putting it to Boaz and shutting him the hell up. Remember he guaranteed vicotry and that he was going to cause the other runners pain. He got an AMERICAN, TRUELY ELIGIBLE, LEGIT AGED, ASS KICKIN'

Hi, I see that I've made your day...much as I'd feared mentioning Boaz's headache might. You confuse me w/somebody else saying Boaz was 22 at the start of the season. I didn't know about this site until late October and I've never claimed he was 22. Never.

I will not be baited into discussing this thread w/you any longer. I've learned there's no persuading you regardless of what I have to say.

Who are these certain people in high places?(names please) I believe that you are just blowing smoke. You say that you won't be drawn into a petty argument but all I am asking is for clarification of your original post.

enough said