BYU`s incoming freshman class AMAZING

SUU FTW, I find it funny that the Deseret News devotes more coverage to Cam than they do Miles Batty. (arguably BYU's greatest runner ever) Butt-hurt a bit zoobies?

the shake wrote:

"Never made the team" ....then trying to justify what it is like to be on the team? Nice try.

What part of my post talked about what it's like to be on the team? And what is there to justify? Your post makes no sense.

Sportsmanship, First wrote:

Whereas, it is well known that distance runners start to hit their peak around their mid-20s.

Don't you think this is a product of training? It is well known that sprinters hit their peak way earlier than runners, because the body itself is through developing in most people by 18-20. So logically, a runner's peak must be a function of accumulated base.

So if a runner takes 2 full years off from training, he gains no advantage over that time. None. Zero. Nada. Theoretically, he should hit his peak later than he would have had he trained continuously.

I really don't believe that BYU runners have any advantage over anybody else. That 2 years off is a huge drag on developing base.

We coming wrote:

SUU FTW, I find it funny that the Deseret News devotes more coverage to Cam than they do Miles Batty. (arguably BYU's greatest runner ever) Butt-hurt a bit zoobies?

A quick search of the Deseret News website indicates you're not even close to being accurate.

Cam is a great runner. Nevertheless, for a program that has qualified all of once for NCAAs in Cross-Country and has had fewer All-Americans in its entire NCAA history than BYU had last year, you guys sure like to talk big.

Actually I didn't go to either of those schools but nice try. I went out of state after HS to run. Eyestone is one of the most arrogant guys I have ever met. Like someone else pointed out they peak way too early... just like Indiana does.

Golden and Goodwin were both top 10 Foot-locker finalists plus Bybee at 4:0X in HS and they did nothing special under Eyestone...what will be the difference with this class? (What tool gets on a brags up his own schools recruiting class?) You can make all the excuses you want for them but I have seen it with a lot of recruiting classes and great individuals. They waste some of the states best talent.

Also coming back off a mission wasn't that hard and a lot of guys actually do a lot better take Batty for example. Marriage is another thing...just look at Colby Lowe or dozen other guys. I personally would say a difficult major is harder to deal with in terms of running than a mission but everyone handles it differently.

Your examples do not support your argument. Golden had absolutely no interest in being part of a team or running collegiate distances when he got to BYU. All he's ever wanted to do is run marathons and now ultras. That's not Eyestone's fault. Chandler left BYU as a three-time All-American. I would consider that as having done something special. And Bybee graduated as a 3:44/8:04 guy.

If Eyestone is the most arrogant guy you have ever met, you must not know very many people. I've seen Ed go out of his way to work with and try and develop walk-ons, even holding special practices for them. You may claim he peaks his athletes too soon, but the fact that he has coached multiple national champions contradicts this argument.

Get the sand out of your v@gina. The Kenyans and Ethiopians are kicking @ss and taking names in their late teens and early twenties and you're worried about 24-year-old Mormons who took two years off from running?

VO2 wrote:

watchout wrote:

What did you expect? This is Letsrun. :)

BYU has an incredible class, definitely tops in the nation for middle distance. Should be great to see what they can do in a few years! Maybe a 9:25 DMR in the making?

Reading comprehension must not be your guys' strong suit. Agree or disagree, the post made perfect sense. As to the 9:25, if that's the over under, I'm all in at over! If you don't understand what that means I'll explain it.

Perhaps you can help me, then. What exactly was this sentence supposed to say?

"Sportsmanship is apparently for those who won't go to the celestial kingdom to Dickson"

you don't "go to the (noun) to (noun)"...

Best guess is that he is trying to insult Dickson because he ran hard in a dual meet (or because he misinterpreted Dickson's interview after BorderDuel, though I'm in the group that doesn't think he was being disrespectful in any way, shape or form). Beyond that, I'm really not sure what the sentence means.

neanderthal dream wrote:

Wow....

It'll take 4 years for that class to really get going, though. Most will redshirt next year, then 2 years for missions, then a year to get back into shape.

Haha, so true.

Eyestone is a douche, just ask ANY coach that's competed against him in the past.The way he treats other programs is shameful, he will get his comeuppance by never leading his squad to an NCAA XC team title.... Never.

Yeahh Buddy wrote:

Eyestone is a douche, just ask ANY coach that's competed against him in the past.The way he treats other programs is shameful, he will get his comeuppance by never leading his squad to an NCAA XC team title.... Never.

It really bothers me to see somebody who I admire slandered. Care to give examples, or are you just fixated on throwing out vague terms and insults that have no meaning, no weight, and are as empty as the head they came from?

ANYBODY on this board who actually knows Eyestone has nothing but respect for him. The fact that he has had so much success, both with individuals and teams, while still paying attention to lowly failed walk-ons like me speaks volumes about his character and his coaching ability.

Instead of saying "just ask ANY coach that's competed against him in the past", how about you name an actual coach who has said that? Admittedly he was my coach, so I have some bias here, but I've never seen him treat anyone with disrespect. I was a walk-on of no consequence (ran 1:59 in high school) and he gave me a shot (and respect) when most programs of that caliber would not have, and I ended up improving dramatically under his coaching and making the team. I can only think of one instance in my five years there when he even showed any anger, when someone hit him with a ball at X-country camp (which he promptly apologized for). Other than that one instance out of the hundreds of days I spent with him, I can't remember a time he wasn't in a jovial and friendly mood. Now, I can't speak for his behavior towards other schools when I wasn't around him, but I can't imagine him doing such a personality about-face when compared to the rest of his life.

Also in response to whoever earlier said that his athletes haven't done anything post-collage recently, did you forget about Josh McAdams? An Olympian and multiple time US champion? Isn't that a testament to his coaching that the other athletes who went on to other coaches after college didn't measure up to their college days?

I will agree that he may never coach an NCAA title team. With the limited pool of athletes willing to go to BYU, and losing most of the ones that do come for two years, success in any sport at BYU understandably has a ceiling.

There are over 50 guys this year that have run faster than 3:44... They whine when other schools get their RM football guys but they nabbed Shields from SUU who developed him. Guys like the OP Farnsworth will never even score for BYU in XC during their career (not that I would have either.)

As for Eyestone...I have no respect for him and I've meet him multiple times. He has his athletes run in Sunday meets with their jersey's inside out so as not to violate school policy...does he not have the moral backbone to follow the school policies?

Almost all of his NC guys are in the steeple which is far less competitive. What have 'all' these NC guys done? Yes Batty won indoor but was 7th outdoor and can't win indoor the next year (peaking problems maybe???)

From SUU wrote:

This is an incredibly ignorant post and the kind of thing one would expect from a worried BYU runner.

I'm definitely not jealous of you guys. I respect the level of competition we get from racing your team at meets like Riverside.

There's no argument that you do produce studs over time but those studs have PRs that occur middle of the season then drop off later on. Look at Tylor Thatcher and Rex Shields at regionals for example; 15:0x and 15:3x? They're both studs that should have been able to at least make the time qualifier.

I just feel like that weber/suu comment was a low blow and really not warranted.

I`m pretty sure that post did not come from a current BYU runner, at least I hope not. I didnt create this thread to start bashing each other. Also, whoever called me a tool... well if being excited for my team makes me a tool, then I guess I`m a tool. I just thought topics like recruiting classes were the type of things people would be interested in on a college running forum. If any of you feel like Portland or Villanova`s recruiting classes are better, great! Share it with us and we can all be excited for the up and coming talent into the NCAA. As for Rex and Thatcher, they both had incredible xc seasons that ended with a perfect peak. Not every season and race can be perfect. (especially when you hold regionals in such a hot, humid place).

Anyways, if you guys aren`t going to play nice then just don`t bother posting.

What Eyestone has done in terms of recruiting/stealing other coaches athletes is dishonest at best, downright evil at worst. He may be a "good" guy to his athletes but as for his conduct and demeanor to other coaches and athletes I have seen nothing but disrespect come from him

Big tymes wrote:

What Eyestone has done in terms of recruiting/stealing other coaches athletes is dishonest at best, downright evil at worst. He may be a "good" guy to his athletes but as for his conduct and demeanor to other coaches and athletes I have seen nothing but disrespect come from him

There must be something right with him if a bunch of people want to transfer so they can run for him. A coach does not own an athlete.

Author: Big tymes

Subject: RE: BYU`s incoming freshman class AMAZING

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What Eyestone has done in terms of recruiting/stealing other coaches athletes is dishonest at best, downright evil at worst. He may be a "good" guy to his athletes but as for his conduct and demeanor to other coaches and athletes I have seen nothing but disrespect come from him

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You are a troll! If you have no examples that you can specifically state, then you should be quite!

I ran with Eyestone at BYU (I was a no-body walk-on for all my eligibility at BYU) being a freshman the same year he was and also lived in the apartment right below him for awhile after the mission. I was also a roomate with another one of the guys on the team who was really good and he never had anything bad to say about him. I thought Eyestone was a nice guy.

I doubt you have ever met Eyestone or "ANY coach that's competed against him in the past". I've met the man and know of others that know him well. He's a class act. As for you (Yeah Buddy).....well, it clearly goes without saying.

Give some examples. You're either a troll or a chump. You certainly don't know what the hell you are talking about.