Why doesn't anyone care about Native Americans?

label wrote:

What do you call people from India and how do you differentiate?

Is it American Indians and Asian Indians?

No. Its American Indians and East Indians. Dumbo.

Dont you use myspace? It has always listed East Indian as one of the 5 possible ethnic groups.

Did you know that Herbert Hoover's Vice President, Charles Curtis, was an American Indian?

Dr Democrat wrote:

I am a full blood enrolled member of the Tewa Tribe.

We prefer to be called Indians. Any person born in the United States is a Native American. Tribal members are called INDIANS. Just call us what we are.

All Indians are not the same. Thats is the biggest misconception that people make.

Real Indians want to be LEFT ALONE, not necessarily to do their tradition, but to not be constatntly bombarded with the complicated laws, taxes, regulations of the white american government. We as Indian do NOT want to be rich. We just want to be left alone and not subject to your contant civilized legal agenda.

1st of all- Yes, I've heard that the preference is to be referred to as Indians, but then Indians (from India) complain. Maybe it should be American Indian.

2nd of all, I dont have to accept your argument because you can't speak for all Indian people throughout this country.

3rd, I'm not some naive college idiot who wants to play the white guilt game.

My real complaint more has to do with the unbalanced view of history most of us have. How you feel about the government's policies is your own affair.

Dr Democrat wrote:

I am a full blood enrolled member of the Tewa Tribe.

We prefer to be called Indians. Any person born in the United States is a Native American. Tribal members are called INDIANS. Just call us what we are.

All Indians are not the same. Thats is the biggest misconception that people make.

Real Indians want to be LEFT ALONE, not necessarily to do their tradition, but to not be constatntly bombarded with the complicated laws, taxes, regulations of the white american government. We as Indian do NOT want to be rich. We just want to be left alone and not subject to your contant civilized legal agenda.

This is correct.

I can emphasize this by comparing it to Brown Vs Board of Education, Plessy vs Ferguson, and several other legal battles of minorities vs the American Government.

You see, Blacks and Mexicans and other "colored people" in the United States want do not want to be separatists. They want the same rights as white people. They want equal treatment. Indians are the only exception. Indians do not want equal treatment. They are sovereign nations and always have been.

INDIANS ARE SEPARATISTS FOR A REASON.

Leave them alone and act like they dont even exist.

That is exactly what they (we) want. We as Indian get what we get, simply because we are a Nation-State and we are still a Sovereign Nation thats trying to survive within the lager U.S. Nation. We have always been here. Whites will always just be the people in Washington that outnumber us, out-gun us, and took our land away.

We are not asking anything from the American Government other than simple necessities of life and to be left alone, but the Government wont even let us do that. Google Pine Ridge Indian Reservation and see scores and scores and scores of dilapitated shacks and greezy nasty oiley slymie garbage trailer homes with an average of 30 people living in each one.

Pine Ridge has recently passed Haiti as the #1 poorest place on earth.

Sure sounds like a lot of fatalism there. Separate and remote, does not equal sovereign. Sovereign implies that a nation of people is self governing and self sufficient.

Dear Indian,

Why does every single Indian in the state of Arizona have the last name Martinez, Hernandez, Torrez, Mendoza, etc...? Are those last lames really on Indian rolls, or is because all the Indians in Arizona have mated with Mexican immigrants??

May I add, Leo Manzano is the greatest American Indian runner of all time. NOT BILLY MILLS.

Oklahoma Indian wrote:

INDIANS ARE SEPARATISTS FOR A REASON.

Leave them alone and act like they dont even exist.

That is exactly what they (we) want.

Sure that's what Oklahoma Indians say-

Please don't come to the Riverwind Casino-

Please don't come to the River Spirit Casino-

Please don't come to the Hard Rock Casino-

Please don't come to the Osage Casino-

Please don't come to the 50 other Indian casinos in Oklahoma.

It's a funny way of asking people to act like you don't exist.

Realquestions wrote:

Sure sounds like a lot of fatalism there. Separate and remote, does not equal sovereign. Sovereign implies that a nation of people is self governing and self sufficient.

Wrong. Sovereign does not mean self sufficient or prosperous. It simply means you have the legal freedom to do what you wish with your own people, regardless of whether its prosperous or not.

white man wrote:

May I add, Leo Manzano is the greatest American Indian runner of all time. NOT BILLY MILLS.

+1.

Thanks for sharing.

Last lames?

My bad.

There are actually 55 casinos in Oklahoma where you can go and have Indians tell you to act like they don't exist.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_casinos_in_Oklahoma

Why do you people keep showing up and spending billions of dollars at Indian casinos?

Can't you tell that the Indians just want to be left alone! They want to exercise their sovereign right to have slot machines without white people always coming into their sovereign territory and putting money in the slots!

And while you are at it, stop buying all of those reduced tax cigarettes from the Indian smoke shops! Indians just want to be left alone. Stop harassing them with your cigarette purchases!

white man wrote:

May I add, Leo Manzano is the greatest American Indian runner of all time. NOT BILLY MILLS.

Thanks. I've been away from The Sport for a while (quite a while, actually) and haven't been following it. I remember Billy Mills from when I was a kid, but I just don't know Leo Manzano--sorry, I guess he's "after my time."

Anyway, fill me in: How many medals does Leo have from the Olympics or World Championships? And how many world records has he run?

white man wrote:

Realquestions wrote:

Sure sounds like a lot of fatalism there. Separate and remote, does not equal sovereign. Sovereign implies that a nation of people is self governing and self sufficient.

Wrong. Sovereign does not mean self sufficient or prosperous. It simply means you have the legal freedom to do what you wish with your own people, regardless of whether its prosperous or not.

No they're politically sovereign to an extent but not economically sovereign. Need both to be a full sovereign.

i76 wrote:

white man wrote:

May I add, Leo Manzano is the greatest American Indian runner of all time. NOT BILLY MILLS.

Thanks. I've been away from The Sport for a while (quite a while, actually) and haven't been following it. I remember Billy Mills from when I was a kid, but I just don't know Leo Manzano--sorry, I guess he's "after my time."

Anyway, fill me in: How many medals does Leo have from the Olympics or World Championships? And how many world records has he run?

Mills had a great Olympics but it really wasn't as much of globally competitive sport then. How many East African studs did Mills face?

Reservation system may have challenges, but without the reservation system there'd be no Indians left today. Assimilation carries many benefits, but it also comes with an extremely high cost.

The real Injuns vanished years ago as power hungry tribal leaders conquered and unified local tribes, slaughtering not only women and children in the process, but whole culture systems too. It was just a matter of time before the conquerors were in turn conquered.

Realquestions wrote:

Mills had a great Olympics but it really wasn't as much of globally competitive sport then. How many East African studs did Mills face?

Mills beat the very best that East *and North* Africa had to offer: Mamo Wolde and Mohammed Gammoudi, both OG gold medalists four years later. (I'm sorry he didn't race Bekele, but if beating Bekele is your criterion, I think your notion of greatness is pretty limited.)

He also beat the very best that the *rest* of the world had to offer. [I'm not too familiar with Manzano, either: whom has he beaten?]

A year after the OG, Mills ran a world record in the six miles. Before you start: though it may not be a world-record event now, it was then, and was widely contested by many of the world's best distancemen; and his WR time was intrinsically superior, by more than ten seconds, to the then-WR at 10,000m.

I'm not a huge Billy Mills fan, for various reasons, but come on: credit where it's due.

Yeah Right wrote:

Sure that's what Oklahoma Indians say-

Please don't come to the Riverwind Casino-

http://riverwind.com/

Please don't come to the River Spirit Casino-

http://www.riverspirittulsa.com/Pages/Home.aspx

Please don't come to the Hard Rock Casino-

http://www.hardrockcasinotulsa.com/Pages/default.aspx

Please don't come to the Osage Casino-

http://www.osagecasinos.com/

Please don't come to the 50 other Indian casinos in Oklahoma.

It's a funny way of asking people to act like you don't exist.

Yeah, I'm sure the separatists are the ones who run the casinos.

I worked in a Native Casino for 8 years. The reason no one cares for the Natives, is because they do not care for anyone else but themselves. And in reality they do not care for themselves all that much either. They do everything they can to shoot themselves in the foot and delay any process or procedure they can. Worst place I have ever worked.