How is that possible when he has the world record 5k? And his 5k pace is like a 4:04 min/mile.
How is that possible when he has the world record 5k? And his 5k pace is like a 4:04 min/mile.
He did run 3:54.85 for 1600m en route to his 4:49.99 indoor world best 2000m in 07
He also hasn't broken 3 hours in the marathon.
old coach man wrote:
He did run 3:54.85 for 1600m en route to his 4:49.99 indoor world best 2000m in 07
Yep. Even without knowing his mile split, it would be mathematically impossible to run 4.49.99 for the 2000m without running a sub 4 mile at some point during the race.
He has run 3:32 for 1500. End of issue. The only people who care about the mile are American high school runners and old farts. Likewise, Geb ran 3:31 indoors.
And Bekele has run 3:32.35 1500m indoors as well.
basic math wrote:
Yep. Even without knowing his mile split, it would be mathematically impossible to run 4.49.99 for the 2000m without running a sub 4 mile at some point during the race.
Actually, I guess this isn't really true. But it would be incredibly difficult/unlikely for a guy to run 4:50 without running a sub 4 mile.
3:55 mile split in his 2000m indoor world record plus he's run a 3:32 1500m which converts to well below sub 4
basic math wrote:
basic math wrote:Yep. Even without knowing his mile split, it would be mathematically impossible to run 4.49.99 for the 2000m without running a sub 4 mile at some point during the race.
Actually, I guess this isn't really true. But it would be incredibly difficult/unlikely for a guy to run 4:50 without running a sub 4 mile.
I'm pretty sure you were right the first time. I don't think you can break down the pace and distance in any way that would not include a sub 4 mile.
toro wrote:
He also hasn't broken 3 hours in the marathon.
F--- that. He hasn't even broken *5* hours for the 50K! If this is the best out of Ethiopia, the Kenyans are going to sweep London.
If there wasn't an actual mile split taken in that 2000m race then he doesn't have an official sub 4 minute mile that could be used for record or qualifying purposes.
Maybe he hit 3:54 for 1600m and it took him 6 seconds to cover the next 9.3 meters and then ran sub 50 for the last 390 meters.
Face it. He's just not a sub 4 minute miler.
No distance wrote:
basic math wrote:Actually, I guess this isn't really true. But it would be incredibly difficult/unlikely for a guy to run 4:50 without running a sub 4 mile.
I'm pretty sure you were right the first time. I don't think you can break down the pace and distance in any way that would not include a sub 4 mile.
It's not impossible. You could hit the mile in 4:00.99 and run the final 391m in 49.0. Unlikely you would be able to close at that speed, but not impossible.
Augusto E. Perez wrote:
It's not impossible. You could hit the mile in 4:00.99 and run the final 391m in 49.0. Unlikely you would be able to close at that speed, but not impossible.
Could you do this without your last mile being under 4 minutes?
Maybe you should work on your trolling efforts a bit more. Something about your post screams OBVIOUS to me. Wonder what could it be?
toro wrote:
If there wasn't an actual mile split taken in that 2000m race then he doesn't have an official sub 4 minute mile that could be used for record or qualifying purposes.
Maybe he hit 3:54 for 1600m and it took him 6 seconds to cover the next 9.3 meters and then ran sub 50 for the last 390 meters.
Face it. He's just not a sub 4 minute miler.
basic math wrote:
Could you do this without your last mile being under 4 minutes?
No, but then you would have had a flying start, which is why in-route PBs can only be set from the start of the race.
Augusto E. Perez wrote:
It's not impossible. You could hit the mile in 4:00.99 and run the final 391m in 49.0. Unlikely you would be able to close at that speed, but not impossible.
Yeah, but then you'd be under 4:00 for the mile from 391-2000.
If you can run the first 200 in 20 seconds, the middle 1600 in an evenly paced 4:10, and the last 200 in 20 seconds again you'd hit 1609 after 4:00:00.16, and run the last 1609 in the same time. Even the East German judge would give that a 10 for difficulty.
Hey, someone had to work the math out.
Suppose Bekele's lap splits were 40, 70, 70, 70, and 40, and that there was no deviation in velocity in the middle of any of his laps. Bekele would not have run a mile of the race in under 4 minutes. In fact, each unbroken 1600m segment would be exactly 4:10 so he would not have even cracked 4:10 for the mile.
That being said, without knowing his splits I would bet the farm that his first mile was sub 4 in that race.
basic math wrote:
Yep. Even without knowing his mile split, it would be mathematically impossible to run 4.49.99 for the 2000m without running a sub 4 mile at some point during the race.
Yeah but "at some point during the race" means it could be that that leg had a flying start, therefore not record eligible.
Nutella1 wrote:
Yeah but "at some point during the race" means it could be that that leg had a flying start, therefore not record eligible.
We're not discussing his mile PR. We're talking about whether or not he has completed a mile in under 4 minutes.
Hasn't Bekele dropped several sub-4 FINAL miles en route to wins in 5000m races?