Just read the "Brief Chat" interview with Krummenacker on Runnersworld.com (thanks to the letsrun crew for so conveniently linking to it on their front page! ;-). That section is one of the few things worth visiting on RW.com in my opinion.
Anyway, he talks a little bit about his new coach, Luis de Oliveira, and how this guy has him run less with more "active rest" and plyometric work. This is the same guy who coached Joaquim Cruz back in the day and that guy was a hell of a runner. I remember reading about him doing a lot of drill work, without much in the way of details.
As a coach of HS 800 and mile runners, I'm interested in any specifics of how Oliveira structures his training. Anyone out there know any details, or can point me in the direction of where I could learn more?
Thanks.
de Oliveira coaching style?
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a lotttt of drills...skips,, high toes walking...etc
also TONS of 100meter sprints with short recovery
for example..3 sets of 10 100meter sprints..for a total of 30 100's...
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Remember those 30 yard line-to-line sprints in basketball? Luis does a lot of it. Sideways running, skipping, you name it he does it. It seems to work for 800m types. A few distance guys have tried it with little success, most notably Gerry Donakowski, who after going back to Warhurst in the 80s won back to back National Champs at 10k with blistering kicks. "Bhagwan" worked with Luis too. I don't recall the results. Some others here might.
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Circuit training (drills,squat thrusts,burpees,jumping jacks,sprinters,situps,pushups,shuttle runs etc) was one of Cruz's favourites...which of course brings to mind Coe who also endorsed that brutal system.Coe loved rope climbing added to his though...So it seems circuit training is an important ingredient to the mid distance recipe for success.Of course the clock is constantly running and your anaerobic/aerobic systems are thrashed to the hilt...
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.....all of which you can survive with the added help of 15mg of d-bol a day.
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Runswizzle wrote:
Circuit training (drills,squat thrusts,burpees,jumping jacks,sprinters,situps,pushups,shuttle runs etc) was one of Cruz's favourites...which of course brings to mind Coe who also endorsed that brutal system.Coe loved rope climbing added to his though...So it seems circuit training is an important ingredient to the mid distance recipe for success.Of course the clock is constantly running and your anaerobic/aerobic systems are thrashed to the hilt...
Interesting. What exactly is a burpee?
Am I correct in assuming that there are short bursts of running interspersed between these circuit exercises you describe? And finally, does he periodize? If so what's the base period training like?
From what I'm reading here it sounds like Luis' training is definitely for the 800/1500 type, regardless of whether you take the d-bol. An interesting counterpoint to the Lydiard-style thinking that so dominates this message board. I guess there's more than one road to Rome. -
From what I remember (I'll check with Sev who has all this info probably), Cruz and gang finished each circuit with a tempo-paced 1000m on a woodchip trail. Definitely kept the HR up !
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burpee-start in a low squat, jump straight up by swinging your arms up over your head, land so that you are in a low crouch with your hands in front of your feet. thrust one leg back, then switch legs, bring feet together then repeat.
start with 10 then increase by 2 each week. this is in addition to the other plyometrics i do. i run the 800 and circuits have helped me over the last 200. -
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.....all of which you can survive with the added help of 15mg of d-bol a day.
So now (considering the post to which you replied) you're saying that Coe and Cruz were drugged too, right? -
"Bhagwan" ran 13:32.6 in 1984 and 13:26.79 in 1985 training with luis. he had a lot of people thinking he was going to make the 1984 5000 meter team but after trials and semis he ran out of gas in the final.
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It is not counterpoint. People think that this type of training is in conflict with the Lydiard style, when in fact it needs to be used in conjunction with it, as opposed to being left out all together.
Strength circuits and body weight drills are essential to the distance runner's success. Lydiard himself didn't put as much emphasis on it as he should have simply because the guys he began with in the 60s, like Peter Snell, were already strong as oxen.
Cerruty's strength workouts are furhter examples of workouts that need to be added to the modern-day distance runner's toil in order to achieve the best results possible.
I myself do and perscribe those exact same circuits (high knees drills, pushups, situps, low back extentions, bounding, pull ups, diagonal leg lifts, and the dreaded burpee). They are extremely valuable and add to the overall strength of the runner and will make their presence known in the later stages of a race.
A day devoted to 400m speed development (which is what this day in this coach's program sounds like) is the ideal day to do these strength workouts, and it sounds very much like the Run With the Best's own doctrination. And you said this was in opposition to Lydiard... -
Impressive memory..that Luis coached Slaney/Groenendal..this board never ceases to amaze me with the knowledge on it..Do you remember how he had to keep them seperate in their training?..1 athlete would be arriving whilst the other was leaving...couldn't have 2 tigers in the same cage.!! He also had Agberto Gumaries(sp) 1:43 (800)..
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When de Oliveira was in San Diego I believe he was also coaching Sanderlei Parella, Jose Luis Barbosa, Wander Moura, and Ocky Clark.
