'88 10k OG - Last few laps - Majestic !

said88 wrote:Where have I said anything like he was in 13:18 shape that day?

quoting a figure without a qualification doesn't help

offer something than just stare at your vids

He obviously was in better shape than 13:18 in Seoul. But from a sub 13:10 it`s still a long way to 12:55

not much of a thinker i see

what was komen's 5kpb before 12'56wjr ?

or songok before he ran 12'52 in '95 ?

or choge before he ran 12'57 in '04

And the 3:32?? Nway, absolute no way. Can`t understand this conclusion from a 10k performance to this time which is MUCH better what he ever has done

grow up & open your eyes

aouita was running 27'26 off likely 3'31 ability in that era

boutayeb had 1 peak meet/day

get a brain

i'm saying that meet/day his "line of fit" looked

3'32/7'27/12'53/27'03

is this getting thru to you ?

ventolin^3 wrote:

said88 wrote:Where have I said anything like he was in 13:18 shape that day?

i'm saying that meet/day his "line of fit" looked

3'32/7'27/12'53/27'03

is this getting thru to you ?

Looking what runners actually have done isn`t so bad to judge there capabilities I think.

But it`s obvious that I can`t use my brain the same way you are doing: Judging the capabilities of runner A on distance B because of what runner A has done on distance C (totally different from B) and the capabilities of runner D.

You just need to look on 5 minutes of a 10k race to know that the conditions on that day were far from perfect and that the runner in question also was capable of running much, much faster over all the other distances than he ever has done. That`s really astonishing.

Nobody (probably not even Boutaib himself) knows what he was capable of for a 1500m that day. But one thing is almost for sure: it was not 3:32. But for sure I accept that you believe this. But it seems you`re not able to accept that others have a different thinking.

Almost not a single post of yours without your aggresivity.

i'll offer you a suggestion :

subscribe to this ( as i'm sure you don't mind paying small money to enlighten yourself ) :

http://www.jundo.co.uk/

for your beloved aouita

in following years, here are prelim lines of fit - the 5k/10k only possible if his endurance extended "perfectly" to 5 or 10k of usually, mostly 1500 training - an unlikely conjecture

i'm only going nearest 0.2s for 400 or 800 - which is very innacurate for 3k/5k/10k - subscribe to "tweak to 0.01s"

'83 - 47.0 / 1'44.0 -> 3'32.0 , 4'53.1 , 7'41.6 , 13'35.3 , 29'15.5

he clearly was somewhat a 800 guy at the time & his best event, but 1500 wasn't bad, but 800 best iaaf points ?

'84 - 48.2 / 1'44.0 -> 3'28.0 , 4'45.2 , 7'24.4 , 12'55.6 , 27'26.2

this is surprise to me

( i never looked at his '84 potential before - looks same as '85 ( which i have a lot ) )

he couda destroyed coe in '84, who looked no better than 3'30.0 that day after exertions

'85 - 48.2 / 1'44.0 -> 3'28.0 , 4'45.2 , 7'24.4 , 12'55.6 , 27'26.2

you'll need to subscribe to "tweak" to 48.0 - 48.4 / 1'43.5 - 1'44.5

'86 - 49.8 / 1'46.4 -> 3'31.1 , 4'48.5 , 7'27.7 , 12'57.4 , 27'19.8

he had no speed at all that year, but still capable of 3'31

you know where to go "tweak" by 0.01s the 400/800s above to find your

"ideal line of fit"

said88 wrote:Nobody (probably not even Boutaib himself) knows what he was capable of for a 1500m that day. But one thing is almost for sure: it was not 3:32

idiot

he was most certainly capable of 3'32 that day

you really have no clue

You just need to look on 5 minutes of a 10k race to know that the conditions on that day were far from perfect and that the runner in question also was capable of running much, much faster over all the other distances than he ever has done. That`s really astonishing

moron

i saw the race live on tv & most of the meet & many games before

it was horrible distance running conditions, constantly brought up by commentators

too hot/too humid & too polluted

only an imbecile woud believe those were 65f/0 wind/0 humdity oslo...

Many people have pulled of great performances in conditions that the commentators whine about.

People also run like crap in great conditions.

This is all irrelevant to the fact that you have a serious problem.

ventolin^3 wrote:

jennifer cruz wrote:Yeah, BB is listed at and looks to be about 5'7 and 132 lbs. Next?http://www.daylife.com/photo/0bkb3GCcut3ZG

moron

dumbest f*cking post i've ever seen

where's the comparator guy ???

I suppose you need a "comparator guy" to recognize that this guy is obese. What a moron you are, darling.

SMJO wrote:Many people have pulled of great performances in conditions that the commentators whine about

this was one

but how much better in oslo at 65/70f as wr shot ?

People also run like crap in great conditions

& they usually offer an explanation for their underperformance or it is visible to see from vid - like asbel & 3'30.4 in rieti

but of course these all-time listers/medalists are bullsh!ters for daring to explain underperformances

This is all irrelevant to the fact that you have a serious problem

try & find & find a coupla neurones with some acetylcholine in the zip code & then come to the table...

jennifer cruz wrote:I suppose you need a "comparator guy" to recognize that this guy is obese. What a moron you are, darling.

http://www.trashselector.com/fat-is-bad/

imbecile

you posted a pic of a solo guy to claim 5'7/132 with no background comparator

f*ck off to oblivion

utter moron

Wow you're right. BB is enormous. What a large man he is. Who could have anticipated this? He looks like he could play lineman in the NFL.

If you still need help in seeing that BB is about 5'7 and 132 lbs, watch this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3ZZjC-MEHc

pathetic

ventolin^3 wrote:

pathetic

Yes, this describes your efforts in defending an inane assertion that BB looks like a miler, whatever that means. I suppose ElG looked like a miler or a marathoner. His looks were not relevant, and you're too stupid to understand this.

What are we argueing about here? I would imagine 5-7 and 132 sounds right. That was Kahlid Skah's hight and weight as well. Aoutia was thinner and taller by maybe and inch and and was 128.

I recall a rumor that when the 88 Olympics were coming up Aouita was coaching the Moroccans and Boutayeb and was crucifying Boutayeb in training. Aouita was a pretty rare guy and maybe Boutayeb couldn't handle the intensity. Or there was the speculation that Aouita was worried this young phenom would get too good and overshadow him. Maybe it was sabotage. From what I heard Boutayeb broke away to train on his own before the Olympics.

And he never showed 3:32 or 7:30 potential. Dieter Bauman mowed him down in Barcelona, although Boutayeb gave it a good effort in a 13:15 race.

Only modern era non-kickers, or non-top flight milers I've seen win an Olympic 5000 are John Ngugi and Lasse Viren. But they had to control the entire race, which Boutayeb didn't.

jennifer cruz wrote:

f*cking idiot

explain how this is 5'7/132

It's good to see that you hijack your own threads and not just everybody else's. BB was NEVER going to be a miler and I suppose as stupid as you are, you probably think Solinsky is a miler and ElG is a 10,000 guy, based on their physiques. Go back to school darling.

That race he might have been 126. I'll give you that. I doubt if he maintained that weight year round. Also the Morrocans lifted a lot for the the lower body and the largest muscles are the the glutes to the knee. Compared to the Ethiopians at the same height all the Morrocan World class runners were heavier. They had thicker thighs. And in the distances they and the Ethiopians for a long time had the better finishing speed versus Kenyans.

Here is a 5-7 sub 13:00 Morroccan. What was his weight? I bet over 130.

http://www.sporting-heroes.net/files_athletics/LAHLAFI_B_19960801_GH_L.jpg

jennifer cruz wrote:It's good to see that you hijack your own threads and not just everybody else's. BB was NEVER going to be a miler and I suppose as stupid as you are, you probably think Solinsky is a miler and ElG is a 10,000 guy, based on their physiques. Go back to school darling.

f*cking idiot

explain how this is 5'7/132