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The Stache wrote:
Jesus christ. Pay attention you ass hole.
If the USA goes to war with China tomorrow, and I go over and sign up to fight with the Chinese army and start shooting at citizens or military personnel of the US, guess what the military gets to do to me? They get to shoot me in the face, blow me up with a tank, drop bombs on me, or whatever the fvck they feel like doing to neutralize me. You know why? Because at that point I would have become an enemy.
Al-Awlaki is an enemy of the USA. Period. He recruited people to try to attack and kill US citizens.
He's dead. GOOOOOOOOO USA!!!!!
Right on Stache.
The oath I took included the following phrae:
...all enemies, both foreign and domestic.
southie wrote:
There is no trial when you dedicate your life to killing US citizens and troops. God bless his soul, Obama did the right thing.
For arguments sake, I'll give you that.
How does that justify murdering an American citizen who had no criminal charges against him and no pending charges, as well?
bladerunner wrote:
This "citizen" was complicit in the murder of 13 soldiers at Fort hood and helped mastermind the Detroit underwear bomber. He has also been implicated in several other terrorist attacks. He has not denied this. In fact, he has taken credit for these wonderful deeds.
Really? How come there were no impending criminal charges against him?
There is such a crime as treason, for which the penalty is death. When you profess allegiance to al Qaeda over the United States, you have committed this crime. Assassination via Predator in Yemen may not be as neat, clean, or naive as a jury trial in an oak-paneled room, but justice was served.
The executions of Awlaki and Osama also underscore counter-terrorism success stories whose actionable intelligence did not come from torture, an inneffective method which transcends the question of American civil liberties and violates those we owe to all humans.
The U.S. are terrorists in the eyes of the world. The U.S. has a colony in Palestine, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc. with millions of foreign soldiers and civilians. The U.S. should end it's terrorism in the Middle East.
end government greed wrote:
southie wrote:There is no trial when you dedicate your life to killing US citizens and troops. God bless his soul, Obama did the right thing.
For arguments sake, I'll give you that.
How does that justify murdering an American citizen who had no criminal charges against him and no pending charges, as well?
Why do a lot of people think there must be legal charges? We are talking about war not criminal charges. It was determined the Al Mawaki was an enemy of the US based on his actions and words. You may or may not agree with that point but no legal charges are needed to kill an enemy of the US in wartime.
If an American citizen had fought with the Nazis in WWII, would the US need to arrest him rather than killing him? How far does this idea go?
I can see why you'd be outraged if this guy was just preaching against America, but he wasn't. He was actively involved in the planning of violent attacks on US citizens.
terrorist sympathizer
Here is your academic answer, you nitwit:
"I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."
Note the foreign AND DOMESTIC part.
The U.S. blamed the Boxers for rebelling. The U.S. called the Boxers terrorists for killing White racist American and British colonizers who poisoned China with opium. Deja Vu.
If an American citizen had fought with the Nazis in WWII,
The U.S. was no different than the Nazis. The U.S. fried blacks, Asians, Indians, and Mexican across the globe while the Nazis fried Semitics (common synonym for multatto) and Mongol-Caucasians. The U.S. today still fries millions of Semitics in the Mid East War.
photofinish wrote:
Here is your academic answer, you nitwit:
"I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."
Note the foreign AND DOMESTIC part.
OK, then you'd support the part of the Consitution that says this, right?
"No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation".
end government greed wrote:
Really? How come there were no impending criminal charges against him?
He was indicted in Yemen.
Extraordinary circumstances call for extraordinary measures. In killing him and the most prolific bomb maker the terrorists ever had, countless lives have been saved. Had this been done years ago, we probably wouldn't have lost the amount of lives, military or otherwise that we have. Every day, American citizens are killed before trial, shot by cops etc. You'd do better to question those than the current avenue you are traveling.
What's the deal with the U.S. in 1947 stealing Palestine from the locals and placing millions of them in concentraion camps where they have been since. If not for that 9-11 and Al Quada would have never existed. How can you not expect the locals to attack the U.S. when the U.S. still have Palestine under military siege ??????????
Freelove wrote:
If an American citizen had fought with the Nazis in WWII, would the US need to arrest him rather than killing him? How far does this idea go?
I can see why you'd be outraged if this guy was just preaching against America, but he wasn't. He was actively involved in the planning of violent attacks on US citizens.
The truth is he was neither a member of Al Qaeda nor did he take part in any planning of any attacks on US citizens. Further, there has not been one American killed in the USA from an Al Qaeda planned attack since 911.
photofinish wrote:
Here is your academic answer, you nitwit:
"I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."
Note the foreign AND DOMESTIC part.
IMO this justifies the button pushers action, or absolves him from blame for following an order and does not reflect the legality of the order to do so.
I'm not against the elimination action just pointing out this cite of the soldiers oath give no justification for the order given to send it.
Yes, treason carries the death penalty. But only after charges have been brought and a conviction obtained. Otherwise there's presumption of innocence. So presumably, an innocent man was executed as he'd never been proven otherwise beyond a reasonable doubt. Nor was he killed while resisting arrest and he wasn't an enemy combatant fighting the US in a war as congress has not declared war.
The world may well be better off with him gone, or it may not. That's not the point. The point is that we used to make a big deal about the US being a "nation of laws, not of people." It supposedly meant that we were protected from despotism on the part of our leaders because our laws restrained them from despotic impulses. Well, that idea's about as dead as Awaki is now.
We "justify" doing these things in the name of fighting terrorists, i.e., people who kill indiscriminantly and unjustifiably in order to advance their own ends. But we've now killed far more people than the number who died on 9/11. We've become what we fight against. Nietzche said something along the lines of, "Whoever fights monsters risks becoming a monster."
HRE wrote:
We've become what we fight against.
You really believe this? Have you even spent any significant time in Iraq or Afghanistan or Yemen or Pakistan or... to know what's even going on? Or, do you get all your experience from the 10 o'clock news?