Walter Dix... Please don't start doping

HC wrote:

dre217 wrote:

I don't think Gay is clean or Dix for that matter and I frankly don't care whether any of you lot agree or disagree on that fact.

Since when is what you THINK a FACT?

Have to agree that I can't get excited about the sprints. The Jamaican dominance is very fishy, not that USA has been clean either. Watching races is only interesting if you can relate to the athletes. I can't relate to a guy that I suspect is juiced to the gills. And he looks suspicious, no proof needed. Everything about Blake's race did not look real from his acceleration away from Dix to his lack of surprise or celebration with a 19.26. Just weird to watch.

Pittsburgh Joe wrote: And he looks suspicious, no proof needed.

That says it all.

Well, assuming you're an American and the Americans are behind, It's understandable. I bet the Jamaicans are excited though! :)

I wonder what you thought of Bolt's celebration before the line in the 100 in Beijing. It was probably fine, right? He's just a happy winner, not a poor sport. Oh yeah, he's from Jamaica, too, so he can't do anything wrong. Only Americans have bad sportsmanship.

Before Blake you had to have run 9.69 or faster (Bolt, Gay) or be the world record holder at 400 (Johnson) to run under 19.63. If you didn't realize that Blake's 19.26 came out of nowhere, welcome to the sport. Eight other men have run 9.85 or faster (taking out the convicted dopers like Gatlin and Mullings) but none of them have even touched 19.2 ... or 19.3 ... or 19.4 ... or 19.5. You cannot be taken seriously if you don't even understand how unprecedented 19.26 was.

So it would never be possible for the guys who are running incredible times to be doping but losing to them is irrefutable proof that the others ARE doping? Forgive me if I don't believe your logic.

There a few Jamaican sprint fans on these boards who can't see the forest through the trees. dre, whaaat?, llemux, ilemy in one of the other threads. It's always the same: Jamaicans are the greatest, Jamaicans would NEVER dope, any person who accuses a Jamaican of doping is an American who is jealous and on and on with more senseless drivel.

US sprinters were doped to the gills during the Balco era, right?

Guess what happened since then? American sprinters continued getting faster in the 100 (Gay) and the 200 (Gay, Dix, Spearmon). But now they are getting killed by Jamaicans. Not just one or two, either. Bolt, Powell, Blake, Frater, Carter, Ashmeade (not even counting drug cheat Mullings).

So what happened? Did the so called "steroid era" end and then everyone realized they could run faster without drugs?

Everyone who runs a super fast time deserves some suspicion of drug use. American, Jamaican, French, Martian or whatever. No one can be trusted. The sooner you learn that lesson the better.

I believe Gay might be clean, but Dix is definitely doping. He is either doping or the clock malfunctioned.

At least every single top 10 sprinter in the world (male or female) is a doper. End of discussion. Stop the naivety and insanity!

I don't care how many disagree on that *"matter"*

When I re-read the post I noted that typo but the lack of an edit function kinda prevented my doing so.

I'm an American citizen with Jamaican parents you lemming. I have no bias any way you cut it. I'm fairly certain that every time under 20 seconds in the 200, 44 in the 400 and 9.90 in the 100 is subject to scrutiny, especially when they're being done with startling regularity so don't call me out by lumping me with people that think the Jamaicans are completely perfect and have no pharmacological help.

Want to hear my honest opinion? I saw the time and the way he streaked past Dix and my first reaction was WTF? HOW? Then started hoping this isn't the first in a long line of the ridiculous and ending in another BALCO scandal because that'll almost certainly kill off the sport.

If/when that happens it'll be as Conte once said, "the Olympics are a farce"

If you'd check my previous posts in other threads, you'd know that I'd honestly do away with testing altogether unless they're testing for harmful substances or attempting to monitor the health of the individual athletes.

There are too many factors confounding the supposedly sacrosanct nature of individual times anyway; including but not limited to the absence of out-of-competition testing or even decent in-competition testing in the 80's and 90's when some(read quite a few) of the currently standing marks were set anyway.

But as the rules currently stand, you dope, you're breaking the rules and you should be punished as such.

Pauly D. wrote:

At least every single top 10 sprinter in the world (male or female) is a doper. End of discussion. Stop the naivety and insanity!

But not number 11? Or did you just pull a number out of thin air?

Seems that those with an American leaning are acting no differently than Walter Dix did storming off the field. The whole point of this thread was that OP used his biased imagination to paint a picture of Dix walking off in disgust, because he knows Blake beat him by doping. In doing so, he deliberately ignored the obvious. Dix thought he had it in the bag. He was soundly beaten by a faster and fitter opponent who also ran a better race technically. It's a hard pill to swallow when someone blows you away like that. Period.

Indeed, the Jamaican sprinters are the best in the world - barring Jeter, whom you all question amongst yourselves even. That's simply the way it is right now. They have put T&F back on the map. Most of you are lapping it up, but you won't admit it. Maybe you wish for the boring days of yore when doping was the standard and T&F was dying a slow death? Wake up guys! If you love the sport, understand that you're witnessing history, no matter who is on top.

Any one ever thing that Blake might be just that good

'If you'd check my previous posts in other threads, you'd know that I'd honestly do away with testing altogether'

Can I get on the start line in my car then if they are not checking for anything?

Dre217

I shouldn't have stuck you in with the others, it's true. The statement of yours that stuck in my mind when I wrote my post was - There's a significant anti-Jamaican bias on these boards. We can agree to disagree on that.

Blake and Dix could both be using PEDs. More people think Blake is because 19.26 is a lot less believable than 19.53. Dix is avoiding a lot of the accusations he would otherwise get for a performance like this because he was in 2nd place.

@californiabill

I wonder the same thing Ever imagine he is just THAT good? Food for thought....

yeah dix is just pissed he isnt getting the best stuff.

Gay is doping. Dix is doping. Gatlin doping again.

Only sprinter known for a fact to not be doping is Wallace Spearmon

yeah dix is just pissed he isnt getting the best stuff.

Gay is doping. Dix is doping. Gatlin doping again.

Only sprinter known for a fact to not be doping is Wallace Spearmon

Dre217is an idiot wrote:

The answer is simple Jamaican’s don’t get tested out of season nearly as much as Americans. The Jamaican’s don’t have a national testing system like ours in the United States.

Well, guess this blows this theory out of the water. For those who think Jamaicans aren't tested enough or have no system, take a look at this. I just copied this link from another thread. Very interesting discussion from Jamaican TV.

Whaaat? wrote:

My question to everyone... what if Walter Dix had edged out Blake in the race and it was Blake who walked off the field that way. Would there be a thread asking Blake not to dope? No, you guys would be whooping it up in celebration and calling Blake a sore loser. End of Story.

Walter Dix was obviously pissed off that he lost (here's a good view of that:

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But, more importantly, he is going to LA to train with Carmelita Jeter in John Smiths group. That's why I think he's going to start doping.

TrackCoach wrote:

When sprinters immediately walk off like that it usually means they suspect something is not right. (This is coming from a former coach.) In the 1980s, U.S. sprinters rarely enthusiastically acknowledged the victories by the Eastern European and USSR athletes.

Are you sure that wasn't because of the cold war?

Plus, many athletes can be pretty unsportsmanlike even at the best of times.