Dwight Phillips wins his 4th WC LJ - Bib #1111

So is he the second greatest long jumper ever?

I would put him in the conversation with Powell and Pedroso.

Pedroso has 4 outdoor world titles and an Olympic Gold. Same as Phillips but Phillips does have a bronze to add. Phillips has a better pb by 3cm. They both have roughly the same number of jumps in the top 100 jumps all time.

Pedroso had a huge 8.70 effort in Gotenburg in 95 and equally impressive was Phillips 8.60 to win in the pouring rain in Helsinki in 2005.

And Powell. He has the world record and 2 silvers from the Olympics, 2 golds from the World Championships and a bronze. He can also lay claim to winning one of the greatest competitions ever against the best ever.

Excuse me. In 2005 I believe it was the 400 Hurdles where it was pouring rain and the Long jump was dry. Anyways still an impressive jump.

Powell Pedroso and Lewis? Or is Lewis in his own category?

old coach man wrote:

I would put him in the conversation with Powell and Pedroso.

Pedroso has 4 outdoor world titles and an Olympic Gold. Same as Phillips but Phillips does have a bronze to add. Phillips has a better pb by 3cm. They both have roughly the same number of jumps in the top 100 jumps all time.

Pedroso had a huge 8.70 effort in Gotenburg in 95 and equally impressive was Phillips 8.60 to win in the pouring rain in Helsinki in 2005.

And Powell. He has the world record and 2 silvers from the Olympics, 2 golds from the World Championships and a bronze. He can also lay claim to winning one of the greatest competitions ever against the best ever.

Lewis with 4 Oly Golds and a 10 year undefeated streak has to be #1.

Pedroso does have a the longest jump ever and it counted as a world record for a minute.

But someone was standing in front of the wind guage and it was a windy day.

I think Lewis has to be all by himself. The silver in 1991 is the only hiccup.

He won everything, was so consistent, and also jumped very far all of the time.

Yes congrats to Dwight!

toro wrote:

Lewis with 4 Oly Golds and a 10 year undefeated streak has to be #1.

Pedroso does have a the longest jump ever and it counted as a world record for a minute.

But someone was standing in front of the wind guage and it was a windy day.

It never counted as a WR because it was never ratified.

in terms of intrinsic worth of their best jumps, there is little difference between powell, carl or dwight

you have to use the wind/altitude calculator :

http://myweb.lmu.edu/jmureika/track/wind/index.html

from drop down, select 50m, as that is usual length of a lj run-up & select a time of say 5.80s, as that's about the time a quick lj guy can go for 50m ( doesn't really matter if you use 5.60s or 5.90s )

then, basically see what 5.80s converts to at sea-level/0 wind ( 3 decimals precision ) & square the resulting ratio to get a number to apply to jump to get a "basic"

- powell : 8.95m ( 0.3 tokyo ) :

5.80 -> 5.811 -> 8.95 * ( 5.80/5.811)^2 ->

~ 8.916 m

- The King : 8.87 ( -0.2 tokyo ) :

5.80 -> 5.792 -> 8.95 * ( 5.80/5.792)^2 ->

~ 8.894 m

- dwight : 8.74 ( -1.2 eugene ) :

5.80 -> 5.754 -> 8.95 * ( 5.80/5.754)^2 ->

~ 8.880 m

( & of course we don't know if temperature/humidity for tokyo/eugene were comparable - iirc, it wasn't pleasant jumping conditions in eugene that day ? )

& of course throw in beamon's 8.90A :

- beamon : 8.90 ( 2.0 mexico ) :

5.80 -> 5.89 -> 8.95 * ( 5.80/5.89)^2 ->

~ 8.630 m

for some validity of above :here are published guys on beamon :http://w4.ub.uni-konstanz.de/cpa/article/viewFile/2720/2562

The 8.90m jump by Bob Beamon in Mexico City (altitude 2250m) with a

recorded wind speed of +2ms~ was calculated as being enhanced 0.27m by Frohlich (1985) and 0.31m by Ward-Smith (1986) Consequently, a +2ms·1 wind in a long jump at sea-level is expected in theory to increase the distance

Jumped by approximately 0.12m and 0.16m (14% & 1.8%) respectively

The mark was never ratified but the effort was broadcast as a world record.

http://www.nytimes.com/1995/07/30/sports/track-and-field-cuban-breaks-long-jump-record.html

"The wind was well below the allowable limit, and Pedroso became the first non-American to hold the world record since Igor Ter-Ovanesyan of Russia matched Ralph Boston's mark of 27-4 3/4 with an altitude jump at Mexico City in 1967."

He also won a Ferrari for the record and I am not sure if he had to give it back.

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/430701/CUBAS-PEDROSO-SETS-RECORD-IN-LONG-JUMP.html

it woud be somewhat of a travesty if he'd got the wr with it :

- ivan : 8.96 ( 1.2 sestriere ) :

5.80 -> 5.869 -> 8.96 * ( 5.80/5.869)^2 ->

~ 8.750 m

( oops ! in previous estimates : i forgot to change "8.95" to actual other jump values of "8.87", "8.74" & "8.90" )

worth noting, carl's 8.72m in seoul with -0.2 might be his best recordedthat had a 18cm gap to board, so effectively 8.90 with -0.2 :

"Official Dist. / Effective Dist. / Vertical V / Horiz. V / Angle of Projection

Seoul'88

8.72 / 8.90 / 9.3 / 3.5 / 20.8

8.90 ( -0.2 seoul ) :

5.80 -> 5.794 -> 8.90 * ( 5.80/5.794)^2 ->

~ 8.918 m

( of course we don't know how far behind board powell was in his wr )

Powell had a windy 8.99m +4.4

powell : 8.99 ( 4.4 sestriere ) :

5.80 -> 5.932 -> 8.99 * ( 5.80/5.932)^2 ->

~ 8.594 m