Pathetic Men's 1500!

Pretty funny that the fastest 1500m time of the USATF Champs occurred during the 5000m, not the 1500m.

Wasted Energy wrote:

Thirty two wrote:

I bet you people cant name ONE person who - going into this race - would have benefited from a fast pace. Seriously. Let's hear it.

All of them, but Lagat, who might not run the WC. Everyone else now has to spend the next few weeks in Europe chasing a time, that they could've gotten today.

Oh right!! Like Gabe Jennings did at the '08 Trials right? Hit the 'A' standard in a championship final? That worked out so well....wait. He finished last.

The current set of US athletes are young kickers. Everyone thinks they have a better kick than the next guy. So why would one of these guys try and hammer if his best area is his kick? Every runnerin this field was a kicker or a someone who couldn't shake the kickers if he PB'd through 1200. That make-up will lead to a slow race, only a moron would be surprised by the pace.

not winning wrote:

Pretty funny that the fastest 1500m time of the USATF Champs occurred during the 5000m, not the 1500m.

Pretty funny it was actually in the 1500m heats.

I wasn't surprised. I merely thought, one of them might actully want to make it to the World Championships. Top three in the USA is awesome, but do you see any of the top four getting the WC Standard now?

Although Wheating finished fourth he will still make the Team for Worlds due to the fact that Lagat has already stated he does not plan to double at Daegu, and will focus on the 5k...That being said, the race was awful.

Jesus Christ, is it possible that none of you people have ever actually lead a race? It's way harder! If you try taking it out against a bunch of guys that are all in similar shape as you then you are going to get sat on and eaten up by the end. If someone like will leer goes to the front of the pack and burns through the 800 in 1:55 while dragging the field around with him, he is going to finish way further back than 5th. Tactics are a part of racing, get over it and enjoy the show. It was an exciting race.

Austin Mudd Junior National Champion 1500 meters, 348 (405 mile). His time only 1 sec behind Mens Race. IF Austin's in mens race, he easily pulls away from the guy who won. fyi the top three men move on to the world championships in south korea- too bad the best mile RACER,BAR NONE, in the US today (MUDD) wont be there. our adult male milers are PATHETIC, a teenager from indiana has more balls than all if them!

iluvpresooomuch wrote:

Jesus Christ, is it possible that none of you people have ever actually lead a race?

J.C., is it possible that one of you (i.e., YOU, iluv...) have ever actually learned to spell?

It's "led", not "lead", as in "lead poisoning", as in "your spelling is so shitty it makes me wonder if you suffer from lead poisoning!"

Now shut up & get me a beer.

Who do you guys think is a bigger pussy - Symmonds or Wheating?

Symmonds is all show & no go, Wheating is the quiet dumb guy.

Geez, it's like asking if I want to be run over by a dump-truck or kicked in the balls by a bunch of cannibalistic midgets - they both sound shitty.

billy b wrote:

Austin Mudd Junior National Champion 1500 meters, 348 (405 mile). His time only 1 sec behind Mens Race. IF Austin's in mens race, he easily pulls away from the guy who won. fyi the top three men move on to the world championships in south korea- too bad the best mile RACER,BAR NONE, in the US today (MUDD) wont be there. our adult male milers are PATHETIC, a teenager from indiana has more balls than all if them!

Only problem with that is nearly everyone in the senior 1500 field closed in 1:52 while Mudd closed in 1:57 (his last 200 however was still impressive nonetheless).

Protip: Just because the times were similar, doesn't mean the races were similar. Is it fair to contend that Lukas Verzbicas could have won the 1500 because he ran a more evenly paced 3:43 a couple weeks back? I really hope you say no to that.

chetski abernatski wrote:you all do realize that the men's 5000m last night closed in a 3:58 mile/3:41 1500m, right? that fact alone makes this 1500m all the more pathetic.

I'm embarrassed to admit that I even read this idiotic thread, but after reading several remarks about how the magnificent 5000 closed so much faster than the 1500, I have to point out that the two races were run identically. In both cases, they cruised the first half and attacked the second half at a blistering pace.

If there was any surprise in the 1500, 5000, or 10,000, it was how fast and exciting the finishes were. People who are surprised by tactical races in championships are either trolls or imbeciles.

I agree with the general them of the posts on here. I, too, get SO SICK of seeing the men, year after year in championship races, run what amounts to a quick warm-up three laps and then race a 400 meter relay (a 400m with a running start):

- This type of race does not determine who is the best 1500m runner. It determines who is the fastest 400m runner. Centro clearly has great 400m speed and can probably go low 47, maybe high 46 in a flat out 400. Even in his top gear, he hasn't seemed to be straining which means he can even go a bit faster. That ability, however, does not mean he can run a world class 1500. Back in the late 90s, I used to tire of seeing Fermin Cacho of Spain essentially do the same thing......use blazing sprint speed to win jog-and-kick 1500s, although he did eventually surprise everyone by running a 3:28 PR in his prime.

- My hat and total admiration is off to Christin Wuerth-Thomas. She gave an outstanding post race interview as well....a very mature and sharp individual. I hope she is able to go to Europe and improve on her sub-4:00 PR.

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So who should have taken the pace out faster? I'm sure the results would have been vastly similar but there isn't a law that says Bernard Lagat has to set the pace for every race. Some of these guys who got out kicked (Leer) need to shut up and if you want the pace to go faster YOU take it out. THAT'S what Pre did. He tried to break the people with the better kick.

And don't say CWT ran a great race because she didn't. She flat out died and was reeled in and is going to be sitting at home. Racing is about strategy and the people going to the WC's are the ones who had the best strategy. If you want "exciting" races go watch a European 5k from the '90's where Daniel Koman or Halie G had a rabbit set a blistering pace so they could run world record times. This is how championship racing is done. You don't get a rabbit so you need to know your strengths and weaknesses as well as those of your opponent. Art of War and stuff.

I thought was a mile race

Honestly all of you "they didn't race with balls" people can stuff it.

Clearly you don't know what the heck you're talking about. Elite level competition is about sponsorship deals and getting paid. You think they don't know what they're doing? This is their goddam livelihood. Don't act like you even start to understand. This is a race. Race to win.

Scott 2348792398427 wrote:

This is why track and field is not popular. I understand that it's about being tactical and everything but most people do not. Things you never want to hear during the marquee(last event) of the broadcast:

1) They went out slower than the women....

2)Look how slow it is...

Its a race people, slow does not equal good.

Who knows why T&F isn't more popular? I think it has to do with the fact that you have to have DONE an event to understand it, appreciate it, while anyone can watch a basketball game. But face it, we live in a world where people apparently will sit for hours watching other people play poker on TV...

People will watch horses race, but they pay almost ZERO attention to the times. The RACE and how to win it is the thing.Races are ALWAYS won by the LAST person to take the lead, and in a race among equals or near-equals, the earlier you take the lead, the less likely you'll be the last. Morgan showed that the 62 last lap almost always trumps the 62 first lap.

Geesus christo, every time a 1500 runner kicks he suddenly becomes a 46 second 400 m runner.

How ignorant are you people?

People do realise that WC are not for 2 months right? People dont want to be banging out PBs or close to this early.

For those comparing this to NCAA races take into account NCAAs for many is the height of their season. How many of them are running super quick times on their season openers in Dual meets etc?

Wheating took a gamble in nearly missing out on Worlds but could work in his favour come Daegu as he will can focus now on the bigger picture. For many of these athletes US Nationals is a means to an end, so people need to look at the big picture.

For all the people referring to these races as "pathetic" really have no clue about this sport.

It reminds one of slow qualifying races of the early 2000s.