50+ Masters Training and Racing Open Forum

Don’t let any moss grow on your golf clubs while you wait.

oId guy wrote:

Coyote Montane wrote:

enough - just stop

As soon as he apologizes for insulting someone who politely tried to help him. I’m not one to turn a blind eye to disrespectful behavior.

Don’t worry about it. I’m over it and you should be too. Be better than him.

I have to admit, I do needle.

I see that, me too.

Syracuse wrote:

I see that, me too.

Syracuse - that is not an exclusive club, me three. However I have mellowed a bit in the last couple years. Not getting soft, just not worth the effort.

Great - now that that is settled, can we please get back to discussing running, training and competing?

I look forward to hearing about some good racing reports.

I have a couple weeks between races and need to keep motivated and live vicariously through your adventures until then!

Thanks in advance...

Thanks, but that post wasn’t me. Just an immature troll at work. I’ll post next in the coming days with my new question.

Well, figured I would jump in since I "qualified" for this thread recently and just completed my first week as a 50 year old.

Finished up Boston this year and been having a lot of fun just running to run and staying focused just enough to keep fit. And of course its summer here in the SE, so keeping it controlled! Hoping to catch some good advice to prolong this running thing for another 10, 20, ... years.

Very happy with this week of running. Got to jump in a race, spend a couple daily runs and long run with my wife for her ultra training.

M - 5 mi, 48 min + 4 x 100 @ 20 sec.

T - AM: 6 mi easy, 1 hour. PM: 7 mi, 2 x 200 @ 42 sec, 6 x 800 w/ 3 min easy jog rec (2:49,50,51,49,50,45), 3 x 200 @ 37 sec.

W - 7 mi, 58 min.

R - 7.5 mi, 1:04, w/ 4 x 20 sec accelerations + 4 x 100 @ 19 sec.

F - 9 mi, 90 min, w/ 2 x 100 @ 19 sec.

S - 8.5 mi, 10k race (or 6.5 mi race after missing a turn, ha), 38:44.

U - 21.5 mi easy.

Hope everyone had a good week and has a good one ahead!

This is an interesting article that may have some application to us 50+ ers - especially the section about two a days sessions.

I will usually only do one maybe two doubles a week - like yesterday I cut my schedule in half because the weather turned really bad and went back out later and did my other four miles. I have done two a days on a regular basis in a couple decades when I was hitting 75-80 mpw and training pretty seriously

https://canute1.wordpress.com/2014/08/18/the-training-of-yoshihisa-hosaka/

Ed vs Earl enjoy:

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/health-and-fitness/fitness/running/running-ed-whitlock-and-earl-fee-compared/article34897068/

IMO ya gotta be smart and lucky if you want to be putting in the miles past 60.

Yes, another good blog from that site. Pretty easy to fall down a ' rabbit hole' reading these.

Charlie wrote:

Ed vs Earl enjoy:

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/health-and-fitness/fitness/running/running-ed-whitlock-and-earl-fee-compared/article34897068/

IMO ya gotta be smart and lucky if you want to be putting in the miles past 60.

Happy birthday and welcome to the club. That's a nice training week, particularly that "21.5 mi easy" on Sunday. 21.5 miles is never easy for me any more, no matter how slow.

A wormhole 3 letter email aka TWP from this just shy of 63 year old to my 49 year old self:

LSD

Once we get CRISPR working and we bootstrap everyone's IQ 200+ which leads to places we ape like creatures do not understand yet yearn for.

Hey Charlie do me a favor :

-OMAD with avg of 600 carbs a day max 800

-AMPD1 enzyme no workee so your workouts need to be on the slow side and take Ribose

-UVA protection clothes and eye wear

-BComplex,D-Ribose,DHA /Omega 3,D3,Glucosamine, AREDSII

Have Fun!

Hey folks,

Looking for some suggestions on a late Fall (November timeframe) half marathon. My goal will be right around 1:20 so ideally there would be a number of others at the same pace.

I'm New England based and there are some decent races here but the weather can be tricky so I'm willing to travel to a warmer clime (and bring along the wife so she can enjoy some sun.

thanks for any suggestion

Zeitgeist Half Marathon Boise, Idaho 11/2/2019. Usually around 50 degrees at race time, dry. Good one mile hill from about 2-3 miles, another around mile nine. Probably the best administered race in Idaho. Nice awards and the post race meal few races match.

https://zeitgeisthalfmarathon.com/

Fresno Two Cities marathon and half, first Sunday in November. You can choose from two different half-marathons, one roughly following the first part of the marathon course and the other the second part. Medium sized event (a few thousand in all of the races combined), usually cool and dry at race time, mostly flat courses. I've been doing one or the other of the HMs for about a dozen years and have always found them well organized and competently run. Entry fees are modest as are nearby hotel prices. Fresno itself is hardly a tourist destination but if you're mostly going there to run it could be a good choice.

Charlie wrote:

Ed vs Earl enjoy:

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/health-and-fitness/fitness/running/running-ed-whitlock-and-earl-fee-compared/article34897068/

IMO ya gotta be smart and lucky if you want to be putting in the miles past 60.

Smart is the easy part but incredible genetics is the lucky part! The article says Ed's weight hovered around 110 lbs! Are you kidding me...that's the average weight of HS XC girls (I haven't been that weight since the 4th or 5th grade. Lol). The extreme low body weight is probably what allowed him to run high mileage and race marathons with "chronic arthritis in his knees." Usually bigger, heavier older runners with chronic OA aren't going to be able run much let alone even try to attempt a marathon. I'm late 50s with OA and down to 15 mpw - tops - with non-weight bearing cardio now a big part of my fitness program.

And on that fellow Earl? All I can say is off the chart genetics. The article says "at age 66, in Buffalo, he ran 800 metres in 2:14." Are you kidding me? Two "freaking" 14 at age 66! How many 66 yr old men in America could run 2:14 let alone even run 800 meters without having to stop? ? My fastest 800 ever was 2:13 at an all-comers meet a few decades ago when I was in my early 30s! And back then I didn't have any OA or debilitating injuries like I do now and was able train consistently with a local running/track club. With this heavy, beat up, arthritic 59 yr old body now, my best 800 might be ~3:30...if the wind is at my back and the stars are aligned properly. Lol. In a race I would have almost been lapped by that guy! Lol.

High-impact activities in your older years can spell high-impact disaster for those without the good genetics.

Yeah I meant genetically lucky/gifted but for those of us who are not so lucky we just have to be smarter about how we do stuff.

Me for example. The only way I can run 50 minutes a day is by doing a majority of the running very slowly barefoot on soft sand. When a golf ball hits the ground it bounces except when the ball lands in a sand trap. The impact energy is not returned. Same with running on soft sand but wait there is more. The soft sand also builds my running muscles up which help support my arthritic joints. I can also just kinda slide along if I am feeling tired kinda like snow shoeing I guess. And last but not least the sand suports the arches of my feet and lets my toes curl / grip which keeps my pfs happy. So this is the smart part of my puzzle a big piece. Another genetic stinker I was dealt is an enzyme deficiency that ends up causing extreme muscle damage when I run at and above lactate threshold . So I go slow limit the fast stuff with breaks and take d-ribose which gets depleted by the enzyme issue.

If/When the day comes that I can no longer out smart my genetics I will just change the game. Running is only my favorite way to stay fit because I can do it pain free. Ran into an old acquaintance who I had not seen in over a decade . He was doing ok for mid 70s but had to quit running because of afib. He was out walking with one of his old running buddies. This guy ran 2:04 800 at 50. I could tell he really missed running and walking was not so much fun for him. I suggested he get a bike and just go cruising around saw a light flash then fade too bad. Bottom line is life is precious every day is a gift be grateful and make the best of it! I know this construction worker who fell 5 stories onto rebar should have died lost both legs above the knee back severely broken that was 40 years ago. He walks on prosthetics drives a van and will always do for himself but in a good way always optomistic happy guy then I know others who have been given siliver spoons and are real sour pusses but wait maybe there is a sour puss polymorphism? Them knuckully cure balls are hard to hit but try we must right?

Product Geek wrote:

Hey folks,

Looking for some suggestions on a late Fall (November timeframe) half marathon. My goal will be right around 1:20 so ideally there would be a number of others at the same pace.

I'm New England based and there are some decent races here but the weather can be tricky so I'm willing to travel to a warmer clime (and bring along the wife so she can enjoy some sun.

thanks for any suggestion

Indianapolis Monumental on November 9. Its not warm but the weather is usually pretty good and there is plenty of others to run with. And its regarded as a flat and fast course. I'm tentatively planning on running this year. My motive? I have the 50-54 AG record of 1:15:42. I think I have a shot at the 55-59 AG record of 1:21:12. Then next year at 60 I'd like to take a shot at the 60-64 AG record of 1:21:52. That's the plan anyhow. And it would be pretty cool...

Dave

Charlie...how the hell did you ever figure out that enzyme deficiency...and then how did you come upon the solution? Very interesting! What do you think of training on grass...as it is a little like the sand...except maybe not as soft? Thanks again for your creative thinking.