Maybe Here Apparently Not wrote:
I've been posting here since 1996ish so I've read a lot of pointless posts. Very interested to know the guidelines for deletion.
1996? Pretty sure rungroteschief/tnfmedia wasn't even up then. LRC wasn't even founded until 2000ish.
Thanks for the clarification... understandable points. I did notice the change in rules regarding political discussions.
I agree, I'd spend more time here if it was less "school bathroom graffiti", but arbitray censorship is a real turn off. If you're going to allow trolls, honest comments should certainly be okay.
You may be right... I know it was well before I moved in 2002, but I honestly can't remember the date of my transition from MERV to LRC. Hence the reason for the "ish" at the end of the date.
Severe trauma injury to back of the head, with bleeding also from the nose and mouth. If he feel forward, he twisted his body to look up like one would to save oneself. If he fell backwards, he either did not do a layout flip or flipped once. Both scenarios do not indicate suicide. If the top of the railing is up to his sternum, it is unlikely that if the fall originated inside the railing that it was an accident (he was pushed); but if he climbed outside the railing he may have slipped while facing the balcony, and fell backwards. Remember, the injury was to the back of his head.
The balcony at Sammy's home is not one meant for jumping off. I would think, even if had been drinking, he would have climbed over the railing first. Then he would have tried to jump down.
There is s short steep room eave Sammy would have had to stand on. Looking at the picture of this there is no way he could have stood on the short eave. It is too steep and it is too short. He would have had to hang on to the railing, his feet sliding under him, and attempted to hop down 12 feet (3 meters or so).
This is not a jump anyone should try even under the best of circumstances. Sammy probably climbed over the edge, held onto the railing, and his feet slide out from under him. As he fell he likely hit part of his body on the steep and short roof part, and that spun his body as he fell. The ground is hard tile, nothing soft to fall on.
Check the picture of his balcony and decide if it is the type you could jump from and not severely hurt yourself.
....which is sort of what I'm getting at with the impressions reference. It's the most likely cause, but I'm not ruling out that they're simply technologically inept or that having registered users involve a whole other level of liability for the content which they want to avoid.
An honest statement from wejo on the reason(s) could be nice (I've never seen one) but I'm not expecting one. In any case, I run AdBlock so they aren't making $$$ off me.
Maybe Here Apparently Not wrote:
I've been posting here since 1996ish so I've read a lot of pointless posts. Very interested to know the guidelines for deletion.
1996ish? Sure, buddy.
No one has mentioned this: his "second wife" Wambui mentioned that he visited her the night before. He was in the midst of a training block in Eldoret, but was returning to his house to deal with an unspecified "emergency". He spent one night with her then went on to his house where he died the following night.
The question is: what was this "emergency", and did it result in this outcome?
common letsrun sense wrote:
....which is sort of what I'm getting at with the impressions reference. It's the most likely cause, but I'm not ruling out that they're simply technologically inept or that having registered users involve a whole other level of liability for the content which they want to avoid.
An honest statement from wejo on the reason(s) could be nice (I've never seen one) but I'm not expecting one. In any case, I run AdBlock so they aren't making $$$ off me.
Maybe they just want to offer a product that is unlike other products already on the market. Why have another running message board that requires registration when many already exists? As soon as you require registration this board pretty much becomes Runnersworld, Running2win, or whatever other message board that is already out there. They are meeting a demand.
joho wrote:
Maybe they just want to offer a product that is unlike other products already on the market. Why have another running message board that requires registration when many already exists? As soon as you require registration this board pretty much becomes Runnersworld, Running2win, or whatever other message board that is already out there. They are meeting a demand.
If that's the real reason, why not come out and say so?
monkeyblossom wrote:
If that's the real reason, why not come out and say so?
From
http://www.letsrun.com/2009/marathonandbeyond2009.pdfWeldon and Robert have considered implementing a registration process in which posters will be held accountable in at least some small way for everything they write, but so far they have resisted such an extreme measure.
“Ultimately, people like the fact that they can express their opinions and it’s not going to get censored out too much,” says Weldon. “Sure, there are times when I’m disappointed with the tone of some of the things that are said on there. The problem with the Internet is that 95 percent of the people get along and 5 percent don’t, and you’ll always hear from that 5 percent. All in all, though, at LetsRun I think people get along pretty well. I’ve come to realize that it’s like any other community. There are good things and bad things, and nothing is ever going to be all positive. In any community, you have your problems. It’s just a matter of trying to keep those things in check.”
"Mrs Ann Wanjiru alleged that her son was killed in his bedroom and his body dumped on the ground to conceal evidence.
She claimed that the death was as a result of his family problems and people who want a share in the son's property.
'I wonder why the police and the wife are giving false statements concerning my son’s death. I believe my son did not commit suicide nor did he fall accidentally but he was killed,' she claimed.
The mother who had called a press conference at her house said there were some blood spots in Wanjiru's bedroom indicating that he was killed there and his body dumped on the floor.
'Why did they wash the blood stains in his bedroom if the killing was not done there? Where was the blood from?' she posed.
On which of the three women was recognised by the family, Ann said it was Mary Wacera who had legally been married by the athlete as he had even paid her dowry.
Wacera who is a police officer said they lived together with Wanjiru as husband and wife and he had even paid her dowry."
This is the most logical explanation
trance muzich wrote:
"Mrs Ann Wanjiru alleged that her son was killed in his bedroom and his body dumped on the ground to conceal evidence.
She claimed that the death was as a result of his family problems and people who want a share in the son's property.
'I wonder why the police and the wife are giving false statements concerning my son’s death. I believe my son did not commit suicide nor did he fall accidentally but he was killed,' she claimed.
The mother who had called a press conference at her house said there were some blood spots in Wanjiru's bedroom indicating that he was killed there and his body dumped on the floor.
'Why did they wash the blood stains in his bedroom if the killing was not done there? Where was the blood from?' she posed.
On which of the three women was recognised by the family, Ann said it was Mary Wacera who had legally been married by the athlete as he had even paid her dowry.
Wacera who is a police officer said they lived together with Wanjiru as husband and wife and he had even paid her dowry."
I'm wondering today how all of the vocal advocates of the "no foul play" theory are feeling now. Anyone moving towards the position that suspicion is warranted?
Maybe here wrote:
You may be right... I know it was well before I moved in 2002, but I honestly can't remember the date of my transition from MERV to LRC. Hence the reason for the "ish" at the end of the date.
You were from Mervs and you admit it? That takes some balls here. Big balls. Bigger' than Motram's, maybe bigger than Komen's.
So what was your handle?
Fred Savage wrote:
Why is everyone so quick to come up with conspiracy theories? Prefontaine got drunk and crashed his car into a wall. Sammy likely got drunk, was caught by his wife and locked in the room, thought he could jump down and made a horrible miscalculation. (Please note before making an argument out of this that when I say drunk I don't mean they were necessarily trashed, but their reflex were dulled enough that it had tragic consequences).
We may find it hard to believe that someone so god-like to us could die in such a mundane way, but it happens to normal people all the time. It dosen't make it any less tragic.
Aquafina wrote:Why is it so hard to accept that the guy tried to jump and either misjudged the height, or possibly slipped and took a header on to the ground rather than land cat- like, on his feet?
People die or get crippled every day diving into shallow swimming pools, etc.. EVERYTHING doesnt have to be a big conspiracy.
It's not so hard, but there were so many oddities in the story, that, simply put, homicide was a more believable story than suicide or fluke accident.
Why is it so hard for people to look at the circumstances and draw their own reasonable conclusions rather than accepting fantastical mutating eye-witness accounts and police reports as gospel?
webby wrote:
It's not so hard, but there were so many oddities in the story, that, simply put, homicide was a more believable story than suicide or fluke accident.
Why is it so hard for people to look at the circumstances and draw their own reasonable conclusions rather than accepting fantastical mutating eye-witness accounts and police reports as gospel?
More believable that it was suicide or accident, if you're drunk enough to bring another woman home to sleep with in your wife's bedroom, then you're drunk enough to get yourself killed jumping or falling off the balcony.