And how many World Records? is it 24 or 25?
And how many World Records? is it 24 or 25?
J.O. wrote:
I think we are wasting our time trying to provide useful helpful information. People are just too brainwashed about over protective shoes.
I don't feel I'm brainwashed, at all; I consider myself to be fairly pragmatic and practical. The reality is that people can ramp up their mileage more quickly than they can build core strength and increase tendon resilience (probably the limiting factor). I agree that the least amount of shoe is best, and that extreme pronation isn't necessarily bad (notice that I didn't use the prefix over-). But, as I've stated earlier, I also believe that ramping up mileage with too little shoe, faster than one is biomechanically ready to handle, is a recipe for chronic injury. What I suggested earlier will allow one to migrate to as little shoe (and support) as can be safely handled.
J.O. wrote:
Oh geez please learn something about biomechanics. Or better still watch a video of Gebreselassie.
Also, I believe that using Gebreselassie as an example, is using an exception to generate a rule. I think that most would agree that he is a freak of nature; such an outlier in so many ways that he's not a good example. Show me some other elites, that are built more like the rest of us, that also pronate as much as he does. He has such a short spinal column and narrow hip compared to his leg length, that he can get away with a lot more pronation without introducing excessive hip rotation. I think the average Joe would be hard-pressed to produce the necessary counter-torque with a longer lever arm.
I'm not intransmutable and can be persuaded differently.
I've had the best luck by getting orthotics and training in Mizuno Nirvana.
I've always had great success with the brooks adrenaline. I went away from them a few years back and after about 6-8 months of high mileage in neutral shoes i came down with some nasty plantar fasciitis. After rehabbing from that injury I used the nike structure triax and was able to build my mileage up while avoiding injury. However i switched back to the neutral shoes (nike lunar flys) and was once again injured this time with Achilles tendinitis. Currently I am back in the adrenaline after advice from my PT and past success in the shoe and am running injury free while building up strength in my arches and lower legs. If you are having problems don't hesitate to use a little support.
lucKY2b wrote:
J.O. wrote:I think we are wasting our time trying to provide useful helpful information. People are just too brainwashed about over protective shoes.
I don't feel I'm brainwashed, at all; I consider myself to be fairly pragmatic and practical. The reality is that people can ramp up their mileage more quickly than they can build core strength and increase tendon resilience (probably the limiting factor). I agree that the least amount of shoe is best, and that extreme pronation isn't necessarily bad (notice that I didn't use the prefix over-). But, as I've stated earlier, I also believe that ramping up mileage with too little shoe, faster than one is biomechanically ready to handle, is a recipe for chronic injury. What I suggested earlier will allow one to migrate to as little shoe (and support) as can be safely handled.
J.O. wrote:
Oh geez please learn something about biomechanics. Or better still watch a video of Gebreselassie.
Also, I believe that using Gebreselassie as an example, is using an exception to generate a rule. I think that most would agree that he is a freak of nature; such an outlier in so many ways that he's not a good example. Show me some other elites, that are built more like the rest of us, that also pronate as much as he does. He has such a short spinal column and narrow hip compared to his leg length, that he can get away with a lot more pronation without introducing excessive hip rotation. I think the average Joe would be hard-pressed to produce the necessary counter-torque with a longer lever arm.
I'm not intransmutable and can be persuaded differently.
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So you are the original poster, and you just started this thread pretending you were an overpronator, so that you could reply to yourself????
J.O. wrote:
So you are the original poster, and you just started this thread pretending you were an overpronator, so that you could reply to yourself????
No, I am the original poster. I started the thread because I wanted advice on shoes that limit pronation. And I really do overpronate.
I was already aware of the arguments over what, if anything, constitutes "overpronation," and whether it is something that can or should be "corrected." If other people want to discuss that, fine. But personally, I'm not really interested in rehashing those arguments - I was just looking for some shoe advice. Which I got. End of story.