That didn't make me feel good, but assuming that you suck at basketball does.
That didn't make me feel good, but assuming that you suck at basketball does.
Connoisseur/Pro wrote:
That didn't make me feel good, but assuming that you suck at basketball does.
I think there a lot of things going on with you that probably don't make you feel very good.
Yeah, because talking trash in hoops never happens. Just more proof you suck.
Connoisseur/Pro wrote:
Yeah, because talking trash in hoops never happens. Just more proof you suck.
Flawless logic. Of the same caliber in your previous posts.
Connoisseur/Pro wrote:
Yeah, because talking trash in hoops never happens. Just more proof you suck.
You're a douche.
It's okay, most people suck at basketball. Including me. I've played against some D1 guys, not even NBA level, and it was impossible for me to guard or score on these guys even when I was younger. The worst D1 starter isn't even that good...I mean these guys would be humiliated at the pro level (look at Adam Morrison). Most guys below D2 suck, so unless you are there, you suck. Nothing personal, just reality.
But I will say this. Basketball players are athletes. Golfers are not. Of course, it's my opinion, but there are some objective statistically measurable realities as well. Speed. Quickness. Strength. Stamina.
Even guys like Oliver Miller or Robert Traylor, they are incredibly quick with their feet, explosive and strong.
Do you really think chain smoking and fat Miguel Cabrera is an athlete? Really? Why?
I'm sorry, Angel Cabrera. Miguel Cabrera is also fat, but I don't know if he smokes.
Not many guys on tour hit better than Daly.You apparently have never seen a long drive competition - it is completely different than the PGA tour.
tojar wrote:
Dr.S wrote:Golfers are athletes - I tested a bunch, and physical abilities and coordination separate the pros from the good amateurs from the recreational people. It is a different type of fitness. Some of those are pretty strong and most are very flexible. The long driver competitors are actually pretty amazing.
Not many hit 'em further than John Daly. He must be a pretty amazing athlete, too.
http://www.dailycomedy.com/images/jokes/b/JohnDaly.jpg
First of all, what exactly is an athlete? What would define such a position? Fast, sharp, skilled, light on your feet, endurance based? An athlete really depends on your perspective. Just as if you consider Cheerleading a sport the same could be said of an athlete.
It really all depends on your perspective. Without a clear definition, you simply cannot define what an athlete is. It really all depends on your perspective. So, with that in mind, this thread is pointless and can not possibly answer the question without an absolute definition.
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Golf may involve a mild degree of athleticism, but to be an athlete you have to play a sport. These are the requirements of a sport:
1) participants must be able to pull a hammy (i.e., they use their own motive force)
2) at the elite levels, 50 year-olds cannot beat 25 year-olds
3) announcers never say "These guys are really athletes" because it's self-evident
4) you can't drink beer and perform as well or better
This leaves out leisure activities like golf and curling, motor sports, horse sports, etc. This isn't to demean them, or say they aren't difficult, they just aren't sports.
No.
John Daly is an athlete...and he was a star kicker in high school.
Seriously? you think 99% of non-runners would describe THIS
http://grfx.cstv.com/schools/wis/blog/Solinsky_Chris_Payton_Jordan_10K_AR_2._Blog.jpg
as skinny and non-muscular? They might not call him a body builder but they would have to be delusional to not call him at least somewhat muscular. I would be willing to bet he is more muscular than 99% of the world population, considering worldwide obesity is close to 20%, and worldwide malnourishment is close to 50%, that is 70% of the world that isnt even healthy, to one extreme or the other.
OK, so I'm 47 and can run a 16:45 5k right now. I shot 1 over par on Sunday with a 6 foot birdie putt to get it back to even. (missed it)
Am I an Athlete?
the real question is, "who gives a sht?"
Jock Hall wrote:
I would put in the highly developed skill category.
However, it's uncanny how many pitchers, quarterbacks, and otherwise superb athletes become scratch golfers. At the highest levels it's all about muscle memory, practice, practice, and the mental game. You don't need to be a great athlete to hit this level. But it can help.
Being a scratch golfer is like being a 4:20 miler. There is a ton of them out there. Being a top 150 golfer in the world is a whole different level of golf. Just like guys running under 3:55 are at a different level.
what about bowlers?
pitchers, quarterbacks, MLB, NFL, ... are dopers
quatrocento wrote:
Golf may involve a mild degree of athleticism, but to be an athlete you have to play a sport. These are the requirements of a sport:
1) participants must be able to pull a hammy (i.e., they use their own motive force)
2) at the elite levels, 50 year-olds cannot beat 25 year-olds
3) announcers never say "These guys are really athletes" because it's self-evident
4) you can't drink beer and perform as well or better
This leaves out leisure activities like golf and curling, motor sports, horse sports, etc. This isn't to demean them, or say they aren't difficult, they just aren't sports.
Could you provide an official reference for where it states that these things are the requirements for something being a sport or not please?
I'm sure you can and you're not just confusing your own irrelevent opinion with fact.
Think of the main five sports in the world. Hockey, Basketball, Baseball, Football, and Soccer. A necessity in all of these sports are hand eye coordination. What other sport is that necessary in? GOLF. Not running. Runners are not athletes. We could possibly be decent at a lot of these sports due to the fact that we are in good aerobic shape. But we are not in shape enough to box out for a rebound or hit a baseball 300-400 feet. You could even include tennis in this conversation which involves a ton of hand eye. Athletes are well rounded, runners are not. We run, have 0 upper body strength, the average person should be able to bench their own body weight. You ask 95 percent of runners to bench their own body weight, which is light to begin with, and they drop the bar right on their chest, actually they may not even move it from the rack. Distance runners are just like fat people as they are not at all athletes.
