http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=3486473n
this video from 60 minutes a few years ago claims us young people are pretty babyish in the workplace. stories anyone?
this video from 60 minutes a few years ago claims us young people are pretty babyish in the workplace. stories anyone?
It's not just the workplace. You act like bi**es everywhere.
uh oh spaghetti os wrote:
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=3486473nthis video from 60 minutes a few years ago claims us young people are pretty babyish in the workplace. stories anyone?
Pretty big words from the pot-smoking dipsh*ts of the 1960s.
It's absolutely true. Millenials want everything right now and complain when things don't go their way. They want credit for doing nothing.
Millenials were born after 1980, but I don't think the ones from the early 1980's are that bad - it's later in the 1980's.
collegeprof wrote:
It's absolutely true. Millenials want everything right now and complain when things don't go their way. They want credit for doing nothing.
Millenials were born after 1980, but I don't think the ones from the early 1980's are that bad - it's later in the 1980's.
Its the kids that were born in the early 90's that are the worst.
All of them were literally raised on porn and the internet.
You speak the truth. Well said.
As someone who is only one month removed from the Millennial generation (1/79 birthday), I will say that - like any generation - there are good and bad qualities.
For the record - I work as a Brand Manager for a mid-sized marketing and design firm in NYC. It is a good job that hires well educated employees. The Millennials that I am discussing make anywhere from $60k to over $100k.
Some of the people who work for me are energetically challenged and unmotivated. Almost like we are boring them by giving them a job. I understand that work is work, but at some point people need to put on a professional attitude at the office. I do not think this is unique to the generation, but it is definitely more common. I am not a slave driver, ESPECIALLY in this town.
Good things I notice is that they are definitely thinking outside of the box, to use a very tired cliche. I get really good ideas from these "kids." In addition, the ones that work hard tend to do it on their own terms, which isn't that bad once they prove themselves. I have one woman who is around 28 that does her best work around 9-11 at night. She is worthless at 9am so I tell her to make her own hours (as long as there is no deadline). It just works for her and she is happy that way; so am I.
I think they might be taking longer to grow up, but if it means that they are going to question things and strive for better ways of living, I can accept that.
IMHO, they are much better than the annoying suits of the Boomer and Post-Boomer generation who think work is about being in the office early and spending time at your desk. I don't deal with them now, but I have had run ins with these types in the past (Father-In-Law). I love the man, but he does not understand anything outside of his bubble.
I just want to add that I do not think this is solely an issue of the kids***. Companies are no longer extending any noticeable shred of loyalty to the workers, so why should workers act like they are lucky to be there?
We have some talented kids at my company, and we are lucky to have them. If they perform, more power to them. If they don't we get rid of them. The thing is, this has NOTHING to do with how they dress or act (to a reasonable extent).
If you are a baller, you can get away with a neck tattoo and a mohawk. A lot of these kids are really smart.
*** sick of writing Millennial, so I will say "kids."
okay but you sound like you are talking about the cream of the crop. the problem is the kids with no skills who still hold the holier than thou attitude.
From the video: "You can't really ask them to live and breath the company because they're living and breathing themselves."
Excuse me, but f*** you. No I will not "live and breath the company." I'll put a lot into my job. I'll work hard 40 or 50 hours a week. But no, I will not live and breath the company. I'll put in the time and effort that is necessary and reasonable, and then I will go home to all of the other things that are important to me. And if you think that this is an indictment of my work ethic, I don't know what to tell you.
This idea that one sells their soul to the guy who signs their paycheck when they accept a job should go away. If my generation is going to put an end to this silly way of thinking, well I will take pride in that.
To One Guy:
I graduated top of my class from a leading design school. I went to work for the "client side" and was told I had to shave my beard. I love my beard. I said that I would rather not and hoped it wouldn't be an issue. It caused all kinds of problems. I thought about shaving it but it was the principle of the issue. I felt so awkward that I left. 4 years later I work for an agency and have my former employee as a client. They pay me a hell of a lot more per hour than they did before. They act like they love me. i cannot figure it out.
To me this seems like an issue with them, not me. They are the ones with weird stereotypes and expectations. Why is a beard even a point of issue?
If your employer wants you to shave your beard and you say "no," that's a "you" problem.
"Generation" characteristics are a ridiculous superstition. Talking about the characteristics of "millenials" is about as useful as talking about the characteristics of libras or virgos.
This is anecdotal, but being a "millenial" I found the the whole video a little off. College admissions, the workplace, and the global economy are more competitive now than 30 years ago. Most of the people I work with and my friends all work at least 60-70 hours a week, many work 90-100 on a consistent basis. There is a huge shift from defined benefit to defined contribution retirement plans - this generation is increasingly responsible for generating enough income/savings to sustain after retirement (albeit probably not doing very well).
This is a tired story that 60 minutes punches out every 15 years. The roles and name of the generation switch every time. Before this, it was Gen X that wanted everything now, or had different motivations rather than getting to the top. Before that, the Me generation/baby boomers. Blah blah blah...
The bottom line is young people will be different than the older ones at the office and will have a different attitude. Then, they become the establishment, and the new "kids" seem to want different things than they did when they were coming up. The sad thing is people watching this show seem to forget the previous one, so it is easy for hacks like Leslie Stahl can regurgitate this story and sound so surprised with the results.
Relax. No generation is really that unique. You millenials are just like everyone else. It's called youth.
The fact you like texting and I phones more does not make much difference.
asdf90asdf wrote:
If your employer wants you to shave your beard and you say "no," that's a "you" problem.
Really think that?
What if your employer told you to gain weight b/c your running hobby made you look girly in front of the clients?
What if your employer told you that clients had been talking around town and he'd appreciate it if you no longer wore those short shorts in public?
People have lives outside of work. Those lives might include running, beards, etc. Bosses are not masters.
I am not too worried b/c in that guy's situation, he came out on top. Dumb boss ended up paying him more to work on the same stuff. Boss lost out.
But think about it. Do you really think a company should be telling you how to shave your face? WTF does that have to do with anything?
asdf90asdf wrote:
If your employer wants you to shave your beard and you say "no," that's a "you" problem.
at what point does it become a problem of the employer? Should they be able to tell you to do anything they want with no recourse? what is fair and what is not fair?
Our society has changed. Through the Baby Boomers people got steady jobs, worked for "the company" for lots of years, got a retirement package and lived happily/comfortably ever after. Most young people have no such prospects. The only pensions left are from government jobs. Everybody else has probably seen someone given the ax without even a thank you. So are we (and I am not a millenial) to sit and watch this and say "yes, master. anything you say, master." Or do we say "it's about me" and figure out a way to hack out a living? Any runner can understand this selfish attitude because your 15miler ain't curing cancer.
I'm under no illusion that people work to make a living for themselves, not work for the satisfaction of it. It is when people refuse to even do the job they are paid for that there becomes a problem. No employer will put up with that for very long. No millenial or other gen will continue to make a living with that attitude. So it slowly works itself out as they get older, wiser and have more financial responsibilities.
But I do have to say - young people need to learn how to have a conversation that does not involve texting or gaming through an eyePhone or eyePad. Gadgets are no substitute for human interaction and never will be.
asdf90asdf wrote:
If your employer wants you to shave your beard and you say "no," that's a "you" problem.
Kindred wrote:
at what point does it become a problem of the employer? Should they be able to tell you to do anything they want with no recourse? what is fair and what is not fair?
"Show up at work looking like a human being w/out pubic hair on your face."
This is a reasonable request. Work is serious, and people judge you on your appearance, so look business-like.
If you want to try to get a job at Facebook, go for it. Otherwise, show up with the attitude, "You say jump, I say 'How high?'". Attaching your own conditions to your employment is childishly personalizing it, and an excellent way to be shown the door eventually.
In what way is a well groomed beard unprofessional?