Kim Collins out of retirement!

Weight training coach while at TCU was Bradley "Slick" Bowman.

Do you understand that Kim Collins' coach used to be Glen Mills? I don't know who he's with now, but I can't understand why he would change.Face reality here. Neither you nor I have the sprint coaching pedigree to suggest that Mills, the coach of Usain Bolt and others, is an inadequate coach, and I am most definitely not suggesting that. Below are splits from Elitetrack.com for the race in Paris where both Tim Montgomery ran (drug assisted) 9.78 and Kim ran 9.98. Both of these guys have similar body types and styles (Tim Montgomery had peak stride frequency at about 5.2 strides/sec).In the Paris race, Kim had a 0.84 while Tim had a 0.83. These are not close to the 0.80 and 0.81 that Bolt and Gay are putting up, but clearly you can run fast even with a 0.83 or 0.84 if the speed endurance is in place. The last 4 splits of Collins' 100 (3.5 secs) are not nearly as fast as Bolt, Gay, and Powell. I'm quite sure that Collins can get to 60m in summer faster than he did in 2002, but just like almost everybody else, the last 40m IS the race.

Tim Montgomery +2.0 Paris 2002

.104 1.85 2.91 3.82 4.70 5.54 6.37 7.21 8.05 8.90 9.78

Kim Collins +2.0 Paris 2002

.158 1.94 2.96 ?.?? ?.?? 5.64 6.48 7.34 8.21 9.09 9.98

I'm having a bit of trouble divining exactly what it is that you are saying, d.

I take it that the 0.84 is Collins best 10m, and is therefore well behind the big 3.

While I can understand that you don't want to come out and criticize another coach, you do suggest that the last 40m is Collins' weak point.

Assuming that you believe he should be training to get better,

1) do you think that the last 40m should be the area to which he directs his efforts at improvement?

2) do you think he can improve his last 40m?

3) if you answered "yes" to (2), in what way do you think he could improve his last 40m?

4) if Collins doesn't exhibit improvement in weak areas, why is it that you don't understand why he would change coaches?

Maybe Mills was good for Collins, maybe not. Many coaches have a particular approach that works well with some athletes, but not others. Many are somewhat inflexible. Some have athletes to whom they pay more attention to than others.

I don't know who he's with either, nor do I have any idea of HIS "pedigree". But that's beside the point, because "pedigree" and credentialism doesn't matter--what matters is results.

Thanks for the stats, d--do you have any information on Collins' splits for his 6.50 or 6.52-60m's from this year?

Even though your point that people can race 60m differently from 100m is well-taken, it would still be interesting to compare his splits over 60m from 2002 to those over 60m in 2011.

He may very well have improved the FIRST 60m of his race, I don't know.

What does seem apparent is that the last 40m of his 100m is the weak point, and always has been. He doesn't seem to have done anything to have improved upon it. Don't you think he should have?

Or at least tried? Even if he tried and failed, we should expect to see some evidence of him trying, like a visible difference in form. I haven't seen it.

.86, .87, .88, .89 were his 10m splits over the last 40m

If Collilns were to have somehow maintained his best split of .84 from 50-60m, his time would have been .14 faster, or 9.84. Of course, I don't think anybody has ever maintained the last 40m without slowing down except for FloJo in her 10.49, where the performance was most certainly wind-assisted. So a realistic gain for Collins, given better speed endurance, would be a improvement of .10, or 9.88 seconds.

At (+0.2), that would be, speculatively, 9.80 (+2.0), right at the limit of what I personally believe humanly possible to run cleanly under perfect conditions.

You seem to suggest that, because he was capable of a 0.84 between 50-60m, that it is a matter of speed endurance to maintain that speed, or something like it, over the last 40m.

d, the question is: How?

Collins will never be competitive in the 100m again. He isn't fast enough. His deficiency has nothing to do with speed endurance, joint angles or any of the blah blah blah that you wrote. He's too old, and was barely elite during his prime.

Nice comment, oh plz/I know better/J.O./Ventolin^3.

Don't forget to pick up that free sample of Clearasil on your way home from school today, and try to spend less time than you usually do in the suppository section.

After you've received your daily intimidation in the school parking lot, that is.

Collins is certainly competitive over 60m

6.53 at Aviva for second behind Rodgers 6.50 PR one week after sustaining a groin injury.

He also ran a 200, came in 4th in 21.-

Maybe the groin was just a tweak--nice to see that he is still able to run.

Don't know if he was going full-out, but he's crushing the circuit this year, along with Rodgers.

Go Collins! Take time to work on your last 40 after indoors finishes, don't try to run outdoors too soon.

I'm not holding my breath, but I'm glad he's running, especially indoors.

Mr. Obvious wrote:

Why do you feel this way? I have no idea on Kim Collins one way or the other but then that is my stance on just about every athlete. I'm curious as to what makes a fan decide that an athlete is clean.

If you like them they are clean. Same reason everyone thinks Solinsky, Teg, Ritz are clean.

I gave my reasons, and it's not because I like him.

In fact, there are lots of guys that I do like who I believe to be doping, and who have actually been caught.

And there are guys who don't seem to be doping at all, who I can't stand--like Ndure.

So for me it's not whether or not I like the athlete.

However, I do like Collins, and I do believe him to have had a clean career.

Hey, why hasn't The New UncleB posted to this thread?

Oh, that's right--because he's a RACIST.

He obviously ignores Collins because Collins is black.

oh plz wrote:

Collins will never be competitive in the 100m again. He isn't fast enough. His deficiency has nothing to do with speed endurance, joint angles or any of the blah blah blah that you wrote. He's too old, and was barely elite during his prime.

Quoted for truth.

Ato Boldon hasn't gone down to the .83/.84 range, has he (I seriously don't know)? I remember seeing that his fastest 10m split en route to a 9.90 was .87 (multiple ones). He couldn't have gone that much faster to his 9.86?Ato Boldon (+0.12s) 1.72 1.05 0.93 0.89 0.87 0.87 0.87 0.88 0.90 0.92 1.72 2.77 3.70 4.59 5.46 6.33 7.20 8.08 8.98 9.90

Also wanted to mention (didn't want to start a new thread) that Kim Collins is my hero.

Wacky Walter wrote:

oh plz wrote:

Collins will never be competitive in the 100m again. He isn't fast enough. His deficiency has nothing to do with speed endurance, joint angles or any of the blah blah blah that you wrote. He's too old, and was barely elite during his prime.

Quoted for truth.

Speak for yourself. I knew of him since he won worlds in 2003

I heard on ESPN the other day that he is also going to be the QB for the Colts while Manning is out with his neck injury.

Nice to see Collins getting his due!

While there is no way Collins (or any other clean 100m runner for that matter) could be a factor in any race that included any of the big 4, he is clearly among the best of those who are likely clean.

The amazing thing is that he was running times essentially like those of Lemaitre this year, yet beat him handily in the final. I think Lemaitre burned himself out a bit, although he ran what looked to be a great final, it was actually a bit slower than he's been running this year, even in the semi.

Collins! World M-F'ing bronze medallist, missed silver by .01!

It's just great that he was given this chance, but what's really great is that he was there to take advantage of the opportunity.

THIS is why you line up. Would he have medalled if Gay had run? No. If Powell had run? No. If Bolt had run? No. If Carter hadn't mailed it in? No. If he had run anything other than perfectly? No.

Think of the chances, a week ago, of him medalling. Zero! And that was just a week ago!

Why run? Because you never know.

F'ing A!

If he could stretch out his top-end just a bit (too much to ask), he would be among the fastest of all-time--still, at age 35.

Kim Collins is not great because he's a champion, he is a champion because he's great.

Wax on, wax off...

Sprint Geezer = Mr. Miyagi

24 October 2011

Pan-American Games

Guadalajara, Mexico

100m semifinal 2 of 2

wind: +0.4

Kim Collins, SKN 10.00

He got silver in the final in 10.04 behind Lerone Clarke's PR of 10.01

F-ing A, he very nearly dipped under 10.00 in the semi (with some altitude)

Not too long ago a USATF guy told me that they were voting for the athletes of the year.

Kim Collins did not make the men's short list.

Give me a break.

The guy had great results this year, AND is old, AND is more likely clean than anybody else in track--and, he's not a dick.

I pointed all of this out to the guy, and he shrugged it off. He's all about performance, so I suggested Blake and Pearson--but we all know about Blake; the very reason he shouldn't be considered IS his performance.

I also told this guy that greatness should be measured in part by commitment to the sport--and that means running all year long, including indoors.

Collins burned up the indoor circuit, while Blake was totally absent.

Here it is at the end of October, and the guy is still racing, and winning, and lowering his times. 10.00 is a SB for him. It's just more evidence that he should be the male athlete of the year.

WHEN will people give this guy his due.

Kim Collins--solid performer, double world medallist, indoor and outdoor champion, longest season duration, clean athlete, and good guy--Male Athlete of the Year, 2011

Reviving this thread, 2 years later...

COLLINS! He recently won the Dakar World Challenge meet in a slightly windy 10.04

Unbelievable.

In 2013 he is 20th on the world list at the end of June, with a 10.04 (+1.2)

2 of his countrymen, Adams and Rogers, are "ahead" of him at 10.01 (+2.0)

He also has a 10.07 (+0.8), and assorted other results, and has had a good racing schedule this year.

Incredible. Once again he is within sniffing distance of 10-flat. The only other guy in his territory with respect to age and time, Patton, is torn up with injury, as you would expect, and hasn't competed in months.

Collins is JUST AS FAST as he ever was. He could conceivably break 10 this year again, if he gets a good race and a good wind.

Enough praise cannot be heaped on this guy. What is he, 38 years old? When you compare him to the other incredible old guy, Lagat, Collins might be even better, because Lagat has apparently dropped off noticeably--but Collins has not. Plus, Collins has been working a busy travel and competition schedule, while Lagat has been concentrating on "rest" and "recovery".

COLLINS is the ironman of t&f. It is just a matter of time before he self-destructs, at this pace he has set for himself.

Missing from the Olympics last year due to b.s. within the SKN national federation, it looks like he might be in Moscow this year where, incredibly, he has a non-zero chance of making the 100m final.

COLLINS!

God damn i love me some Kim Collins, i almost threw a brick threw my tv when the Olympic commentators explained why he wasn't running. With no powell or mike rodgers in the 100m at moscow Collins could seriosly lead the race for the first 50m, u see what he did to Gatlin in Rabat. He just loves running, his post race interveiw after his deague bronze was the most genuinely happy ive ever seen an athlete who didnt win.