Flanagan's 28 mile run

I did an extreamly intense 4 mile race one day before an intense 20 miler.

Finally, fools are starting to get it. Run high mileage = run fast times. Put the two together geniuses. German did.

I recall that she set the AR in the 5000 without ever having run more than an hour. Confirm or deny please.

SSU Running Free also did a 28 mile run a few days ago.

Yes I did, Thanks kind stranger! GO SSU!

German Fan wrote:

Finally, fools are starting to get it. Run high mileage = run fast times. Put the two together geniuses. German did.

Actually, when German increased his mileage, that is when all his troubles started. Or were you being sarcastic and already knew that? For some more mileage will help them, for others it will hurt them, especially if they don't go about increasing it properly.

She just ran a terrific cross race (although it was 20 seconds slower than 2008). But I was always told that the early signs toward the downfall is when you start bragging about workouts. The best training log doesn't get bonus points come race day.

Last week we all got an opportunity to hear about what a great workout Abdi just ran. How much did that mean come race day?

Sebby wrote:

Actually, when German increased his mileage, that is when all his troubles started. Or were you being sarcastic and already knew that? For some more mileage will help them, for others it will hurt them, especially if they don't go about increasing it properly.

German's always had troubles. It doesn't seem like his injuries stem from any particular change (other than the anemia)

That way too much. She's done.

It's not too much, if she did things right. She has a great coach in Jerry and has a great support system, including Steve. I'm pretty sure things were handled the right way and she should be able to handle things like this fairly easily now.

Pretty sure she didn't just take a swig of water and go run 28 miles though, like many of you are probably imagining.

PhysMech wrote:

It's not too much, if she did things right. She has a great coach in Jerry and has a great support system, including Steve. I'm pretty sure things were handled the right way and she should be able to handle things like this fairly easily now.

In 2007 she ran 4:05/8:33i/14:44. In 2008 she ran an incredible race 30:22.22 for an Olympic bronze which will be easily the highlight of her career. Correct me if I'm wrong but there's little evidence that she's doing things in a better way these last two years. Steve doesn't seem that clever and Jerry is more used to pro men. I'm sorry but 28 miles two days after a hard race is ridiculous.

Doesnt sound right to me wrote:

In 2007 she ran 4:05/8:33i/14:44. In 2008 she ran an incredible race 30:22.22 for an Olympic bronze which will be easily the highlight of her career.

I agree, '07 and the Olympics were incredible. John Cook was my college coach and I think he did an outstanding job coaching Shalane.

But as impressive as it was, the Olympic bronze will not be the highlight of her career. Her best races are still potentially ahead of her. And a 28 mile day so close after a race is admittedly aggressive, but sometimes you have to take some calculated risks to get to the next level.

She just DOMINATED the USA National Cross Country meet after getting 2nd in the NYC Marathon. Are you kidding?

Abdi has been on a decline since he ran that fast 10k in Oregon a few years back. He always brags about in how good shape he is and hasn't delivered in a few years now.

Shalane is dominating US distance running. I can't believe you just called her "downfall" 2 days after she destroyed every woman in this country. Makes you look pretty stupid.

btw, I'll call right now that Shalane gets down to low to mid 14:30s this summer and medals again in the Olympics in the 10k or marathon... all while picking up no less then 5 NEW AR (3K, 5K, 10K, 1/2, Marathon) and winning multiple National championships. If she does that, I would call her time with Jerry a massive success.

There is no reason Shalane can't do all of the above. She is incredibly talented and clearly incredibly driven/tough. Add to that the fact that she has one of the best coaches out there, and her potential is massive.

Women and men don't need to train that differently, and so Jerry doesn't really need to adjust Shalane's training much from what he has his guy's do. The thought that women need to do train differently is one (big) reason why no woman has replicated Paula's marathon feats.

I agree with everything you said, minus the marathon. I believe that she will dominate this year and move the 5k and 10k US records to a different stratosphere. Mainly because her base is so much larger than ever before.

I don't believe that she will ever be a top level marathoner. Yes, I know that she finished 2nd in NY. I just think that she will not be able to handle a race that goes out at sub 70 minutes through the half.

Flanagan's 10k AR is quite a bit better than the current 5k AR. If she can beat her own 10k record, I think she ends the year with the 5k AR as well. If she doesn't get into shape to beat her 10k record, I think someone else ends the year with the 5k AR. I'm almost certain it will be lowered this year. Other than Shalane doing it, a few come to mind. Molly Huddle has the best odds, IMO. We've only begun to realize how talented she is.

nike for rent wrote:

I don't believe that she will ever be a top level marathoner. Yes, I know that she finished 2nd in NY. I just think that she will not be able to handle a race that goes out at sub 70 minutes through the half.

I think Shalane will eventually go under 2:18 for the marathon.

I hope you are right, but I don't see it. The marathon is a different mentality and Shalane is a great athlete but I have not witnessed the marathon mentality. She seems to be a happier, more confident person when running the shorter stuff.

Marathoners don't tweet about a long run.

:)

That tweet comment made me laugh. It's a valid point, but tweeting hasn't been around that long, and I'm sure others before her would have done it as well.