18-yr-old better than Verzibicas

The indoor 1500 is essentially never run in the U.S. so your comparison is misleading.

A 3:46 1500 is a very nice mark but it's not clearly superior to Verzbicas' run in Boston. If Rogestedt ran exactly 3:46, that's the equivalent of a 4:04 mile, slightly slower than Verzbicas.

I completely agree that Rogestedt is one to keep an eye on, but you don't need to rely on inaccurate or misleading information to justify doing so.

Young Aussie Alex Rowe ran a 3.46 1500 yesterday. He's 18 I think. Usually runs 800s - ran 1.47 last year.

That's a nice mark by Rowe, but he did it outdoors in the Australian summer. Rogestedt was indoors and in the middle of a Scandinavian winter, so I think his number is a bit more impressive.

To the other guy, I see nothing misleading about my original post. Neither was it intended to be anti-Verzbicas. I just mentioned LV to draw attention to Rogestedt's achievement.

Is your title not insinuating that this 18 year old is better , yet the above post states to the contrary?

death by achilles tendinosis wrote:

Neither was it intended to be anti-Verzbicas. I just mentioned LV to draw attention to Rogestedt's achievement.

Anti, maybe not, but negative, yes. You had to say "on the same day Verzbicas failed to break 4:00 in a professional meet", rather than a more polite "on the same day Verzbicas ran a 4:03.88 mile in a professional meet".

Who cares? Some 18 or 19 year old Kenyan will run 12:47 this year.

Yesterday Newcastle United came back from four goals down to tie Arsenal and Manchester United (top of the league) lost to Wolverhampton (bottom of the league). Can Rogieboy do that?

death by achilles tendinosis wrote:

That's a nice mark by Rowe, but he did it outdoors in the Australian summer. Rogestedt was indoors and in the middle of a Scandinavian winter, so I think his number is a bit more impressive.

To the other guy, I see nothing misleading about my original post. Neither was it intended to be anti-Verzbicas. I just mentioned LV to draw attention to Rogestedt's achievement.

It was very misleading to compare the time to the "best" times in the US when those clearly are not the best times in the US.

yesterday Silas Kiplacat killed 3 birds in a span for 4 minutes, with his bare claws. Can Johan do that?

bowdownbeforeme wrote:

Manchester United (top of the league) lost to Wolverhampton (bottom of the league). Can Rogieboy do that?

Johan Rogestedt could beat Wolverhampton... Man U is a bunch of vajays.

death by achilles tendinosis wrote:

so he didn't have the likes of Willis or Webb to push him. Nevertheless, the young Swede responded with an astonishing 3:46 indoor 1500.

To put that in perspective, the fastest high school indoor 1500 this year was by Cheserek at 3:58. The next best US h.s. mark is 4:12. And Rogestedt just ran 3:46.

I suggest we remember this young man's name. He's the real deal.

A 3:46 is a 4:03 M in a race without the disadvantage of 3:54-3:56 pros to screw him up, which is still nothing but a 4:03/4:04M at 18, big flipping big deal, isn't Lukas 17 and ran 4:04M last year when he isn't even a miler? *Yawn*

4:03.88>12:47

The thing about Verzbicas is that the mile is pushing the outside of his range. No other young 4:03-4 miler is going to touch him at 5K.

Reality Bath wrote:

The thing about Verzbicas is that the mile is pushing the outside of his range. No other young 4:03-4 miler is going to touch him at 5K.

caleb ndiku 2 months older than verzbikas

3:37 for 1500

13:18 for a track 5k

there are many the same age who can challenge him that are the same age or younger, and it would be that way even if all athletes were able to prove they are the same age.

but yes there is no doubt if he concentrates on running he will go

sub 3:30 for 1500

sub 12:50 for 5k

sub 36:30 for 10k

what age was ryan gregson when he ran 3:31.06? i think gregson was in his first year as a senior athlete.

lukas v will be a junior this year and in 2012 so he will be a senior athlete in 2013, i think he will likely have a better personal best than gregson by the time the 2012 season ends.

this is contingent on him concentrating on running and not the triathlon.

douglas burke,

lukas just ran a 3:45 1500 equiv. and you think at the end of two years he's gonna have run 3:31flat or faster??? you've gotta be joking? do you also think he's gonna run 3:26 when he's a senior in college?

sure he might one day go sub 3:30, but he certainly ain't gonna be knockin' on that door anytime in the next few years. a 4:03 mile is a world away from a 3:46-3:47

what the? wrote:

douglas burke,

lukas just ran a 3:45 1500 equiv. and you think at the end of two years he's gonna have run 3:31flat or faster??? you've gotta be joking? do you also think he's gonna run 3:26 when he's a senior in college?

sure he might one day go sub 3:30, but he certainly ain't gonna be knockin' on that door anytime in the next few years. a 4:03 mile is a world away from a 3:46-3:47

This ^ is true.

And Douglas Burke is one or more of stupid, ignorant or a troll.

Man, I can't wait to see him break world records in college! I bet he takes up the javelin and throws 330'!

This inspires me... I think I'm gonna set a goal that by the time this track season is over I'm gonna be super dedicated, lift a lot of weights, bulk up, join the NFL, and lead my team to a superbowl title. Tooootally doable!

Oh, and I will teach my dog to read. It's a really smart dog.

The comparison with Gregson is spurious, he has some wheels - yet to be proven for LV. Wheating ran 3.31 because he also has wheels. LV will likely be better at 5000m than 1500m/Mile, but looking at 26.30 (from the typo of 36.30) and 12.50, he still has a long way to go for those as well. Doug seems to think that anyone can get to this level since the Kenyans and Ethiopians do, it's not that easy. Does LV have that ability? only time will tell (and staying healthy), but projecting this kind of improvement at this early stage (he just turned 18) is really rather silly. Look at Webb, based on his HS career he should be a WR holder by now - again sh*t happens along the way.

Incidentally, if you just do the straight math to get a ballpark comparison, a 1500 run at 3:46 is the equivalent of a 4:01 1600 (mile). And that was indoors, Rogestedt's second race of the season, coming off a year of non-stop injuries. Give the boy his due. Rogestedt is quite a talent. And, remember, he BEAT the Kenyans at the World Youth championships, so there's no reason to assume there are dozens of Kenyans faster than him. As for comparisons with the older and more physically mature Gregson and Wheating--why?

I, at least, will be following this young runner and pulling for him. And Verzbicas. And Wheating and Gregson. Why not?