Picture of Track that ruined Ritz

Morton Earleston, Jr. wrote:

You people crack me up. None of you are world class athletes. None of you coach world class athletes. A few of you MIGHT be slightly better-than-average college or high school runners, and even fewer of you MIGHT have had some success back in the day (making you has-beens now).

And yet you all come on here and rip all the best running programs, coaches and athletes just because it makes you feel better about yourself. Be honest, what is constructive about your methods of criticism?

But to your credit, it must take an extraordinary amount of energy to be that unduly hateful and critical.

2/10.

and i'm only giving you the two points because the guy that posted right above you is a former american record holder...

You got a picture of the trail that ruined him last year?

How about the bike path that ruined him the year before?

And what about the road that cut short his season three years back?

Don't forget the paved hill that gave him a stress fracture...

Let's throw in the Colorado altitude that made post-run recovery more difficult.

Why not throw in a picture of his parents for not making him a well-rounded athlete as a child so that he'd have a better bio-mechanical build?!

weekend updater wrote:

You got a picture of the trail that ruined him last year?

How about the bike path that ruined him the year before?

And what about the road that cut short his season three years back?

Don't forget the paved hill that gave him a stress fracture...

Let's throw in the Colorado altitude that made post-run recovery more difficult.

Why not throw in a picture of his parents for not making him a well-rounded athlete as a child so that he'd have a better bio-mechanical build?!

Those are all objects, those aren't bad decisions. The 7 mile track workout on an indoor track is a bad decision.

weekend updater wrote:

Why not throw in a picture of his parents for not making him a well-rounded athlete as a child so that he'd have a better bio-mechanical build?!

I suppose that Dathan's parents are responsible for Yoder-Begley not being able to remain healthy or why Rupp pulled out this past weekend or why Webb hasn't raced in the last 6 months.

FogRunner, where is this loop you mention? I'd love to have something like that. Training is such a pain now.

Morton Earleston, Jr. wrote:

You people crack me up. None of you are world class athletes. None of you coach world class athletes. A few of you MIGHT be slightly better-than-average college or high school runners, and even fewer of you MIGHT have had some success back in the day (making you has-beens now).

And yet you all come on here and rip all the best running programs, coaches and athletes just because it makes you feel better about yourself. Be honest, what is constructive about your methods of criticism?

But to your credit, it must take an extraordinary amount of energy to be that unduly hateful and critical.

Ya, that malmo, what does he know? Like he's ever amounted to anything on the world stage, much less American records...

A Salazar wrote:

weekend updater wrote:

Why not throw in a picture of his parents for not making him a well-rounded athlete as a child so that he'd have a better bio-mechanical build?!

I suppose that Dathan's parents are responsible for Yoder-Begley not being able to remain healthy or why Rupp pulled out this past weekend or why Webb hasn't raced in the last 6 months.

Ya know, coaches get way too much credit when an athlete of theirs does well and they take way too much blame when things go wrong.

The ultimate responsibility for everything lies with the individual athlete.

Dathan is one of the best American runners we have ever seen. Perhaps he made a mistake, he has another injury.

As Julia Child's would say, "oh well, boo hoo"

Let's hope he is back and healthy soon, eh?

Hodgie-san wrote:

The ultimate responsibility for everything lies with the individual athlete.

True, but we can measure patterns. If everyone you coach has a thyroid condition or are constantly pulling out of events due to injury or are receiving drugs for clinical depression, we can make some assumptions.

Actually Ritz wheeled out a 260m track and ran his workout here... http://www.cmuchippewas.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=10500&ATCLID=295188

A Salazar wrote:

Hodgie-san wrote:

The ultimate responsibility for everything lies with the individual athlete.

True, but we can measure patterns. If everyone you coach has a thyroid condition or are constantly pulling out of events due to injury or are receiving drugs for clinical depression, we can make some assumptions.

I assume that you are an armchair quarterback.

And your assumption is 100% justified. Because you were basing it on the information that you have been given.

My assumption of the coaching of Ritz and his teammates is also justified.

Well since I spent a year at TSU, I'll tell you. Seneca Creek State Park, Clopper entrance, past the guard house to the stop sign. Turn right, pine grove is on your left. I run it in sandals. If you like that, e-mail me. I've found some sweet trails.

Towson exile wrote:

FogRunner, where is this loop you mention? I'd love to have something like that. Training is such a pain now.

The amount of anti indoor track rhetoric on this thread is reprehensible. Indoor tracks don't injure people, people injure people. The constitution protects our right to train on any and all indoor tracks. If we outlaw athletes training on indoor tracks in America, only outlaw athletes will do so. They will thereby gain a huge advantage in all indoor track competitions, and law-abiding athletes will have no way to protect themselves from devastating losses. Indoor track use can not be banned simply because in the hands of irresponsibile individuals like Dathan Ritzenheim, its use can result in unfortunate consequences.

i cant believe i wasted 5 minutes of my life reading this. How do you guys have nothing better to do. Runners get injured doing workouts... end of story

A Salazar wrote:

And your assumption is 100% justified. Because you were basing it on the information that you have been given.

My assumption of the coaching of Ritz and his teammates is also justified.

Well, this (armchair quarterbacking & deify or crucify the coach) often happens when athletes are looking for some kind of "svengali" or "sexy sadie" type coach.

Athletes can be needy.

It is a simple pursuit,these are adults, everyone use their heads.

At the Reggie Lewis track in Boston this year the management keeps all the training teams off the rapidly wearing lane one. I wonder if this year will see fewer injuries among those training at Reggie in lane 2+ than last year in lane one.

Or will it only be lane one itself that escapes injury?

Or should we blame injuries on the color of track?

The Reggie Lewis track is blue.

In fact I will state that more runners are injured on red tracks than blue tracks.

Tom

rodger wrote:

He tried to go to Grand Vally State's 300m indoor track (not far from Rockford) but they were closed for the holidays and wouldnt let him on, so he made the longer trip to CMU's 200m track.

The injury is clearly GVSU's fault.

Not so fast Rodger, Dathan and Jason Hartmann in the past have used GVSUs facilities and Jerry Baltes (GVSU coach) has always been very generous in letting him use the track. GVSU had work being done on the track which closed the building over the holidays. Nice try throwing Jerry and the program under the bus though.

stop indoor track control wrote:

The amount of anti indoor track rhetoric on this thread is reprehensible. Indoor tracks don't injure people, people injure people. The constitution protects our right to train on any and all indoor tracks. If we outlaw athletes training on indoor tracks in America, only outlaw athletes will do so. They will thereby gain a huge advantage in all indoor track competitions, and law-abiding athletes will have no way to protect themselves from devastating losses. Indoor track use can not be banned simply because in the hands of irresponsibile individuals like Dathan Ritzenheim, its use can result in unfortunate consequences.

10/10. Nice work.

NB Dickie wrote:

Just ask Frank Shorter. An indoor track workout injured his ankle and hurt his buildup for the 76 olympics.

Yeah, and he sure screwed up in Montreal.

Oh....wait.....