Check out an awesome interview done just a week ago with Gerry Lindgren, the best high school runner of all-time:
http://www.americanrunning.org/w/article/yr-interview-with-gerry-lindgren
"The 3-minute mile goal is to teach runners that the impossible is where goals should be set. Setting goals that have already been achieved is a cop-out. We are all Better than that! I would rather my runners are a big flat FAILURE at 3:30 than a whopping success at 4:10."
That is an awesome interview.
Thanks
What do people on this board think of that 10 mile workout? (arguably running a mile as fast as you can and then continuing on for 10 miles with a fast last half mile). Does anyone here do workouts like that and if so, what? Would you advise doing them? Has any other professional done a workout like that?
Jackfruitman wrote:
Check out an awesome interview done just a week ago with Gerry Lindgren, the best high school runner of all-time:
http://www.americanrunning.org/w/article/yr-interview-with-gerry-lindgren"The 3-minute mile goal is to teach runners that the impossible is where goals should be set. Setting goals that have already been achieved is a cop-out. We are all Better than that! I would rather my runners are a big flat FAILURE at 3:30 than a whopping success at 4:10."
What I got from it was 1) Run without Fear, and 2) Crazy amounts of mileage will make you better (baring injury)
The Waterboy wrote:
What do people on this board think of that 10 mile workout? (arguably running a mile as fast as you can and then continuing on for 10 miles with a fast last half mile). Does anyone here do workouts like that and if so, what? Would you advise doing them? Has any other professional done a workout like that?
I am wondering about this too. Since it is only once a week I think that it is doable.
Clearing the bs up wrote:
I am wondering about this too. Since it is only once a week I think that it is doable.
This is quite similar to the Oregon 30th Avenue drill.
I read about that and it sounded really intense.
I think I remember reading that they did away with it because too many were getting injured from the intense pounding, and substituted it for something else.
Does anybody here do a workout similar to Gerry Lindgren's 10 mile or do any kind of workout that prepares for a fast start in Cross Country? If so, what?
This would be a great workout for a fast cross-country start.
In most of his races, Gerry would literally sprint out front for the first quarter mile or so, and anyone who tried to stick with him would be breathing hard and struggling just to stay with him, while he was able to carry on without nearly as much trouble, since he specifically trained to do that.
If you practice going out hard and then having to still complete a hard run, it will prepare you very well for the demands of a cross-country race.
Worst interview I have ever read. All Gerry does is spout off at the mouth, and try to give the most ridiculous and eccentric answers he can think of. For most people, it gets them excited. But talking about a 3 minute mile, as if that is feasible for someone who trains hard enough? Come on man!
Gerry Lindgren is the worst coach of all time. You deserve what you will get if you listen to him.
Jackfruitman wrote:
I read about that and it sounded really intense.
I think I remember reading that they did away with it because too many were getting injured from the intense pounding, and substituted it for something else.
Where did you read that?
The only problem I have with these kind of interviews is that these are obvious fans asking questions...every question is a softball.
No questioning of his mileage; no calling out some of his odd beliefs about training...and obviously no questions about his disappearance....
...would help us understand what makes the guy tick...
This guy is a complete nut job. He claims to have run 250+ mile weeks but doesn't record mileage...he claims to have been on sub 2 marathon pace through 26 miles before passing out...the guy basically had a psychotic break and ran away from his family, he is totally delusional.
Here:http://www.slowtwitch.com/mainheadings/longrun/different.html
malmo wrote:
Where did you read that?
Jackfruitman wrote:
Here:
http://www.slowtwitch.com/mainheadings/longrun/different.htmlmalmo wrote:Where did you read that?
"Don't believe everything you read." - John Schiefer
You have to take Hitch's word with a grain of salt. Hitch had a lot of preconceived fallacies about training. I know. I roomed with him. He was a struggling runner on the fringe, who, like many, thought that less was more. In his final year of law school, after my constant badgering that he was 1) too heavy, and 2) he needed to run more, he finally heeded my advice. Ran more and dropped weight. Just like magic his 5000 PR dropped from about 14:20 to 13:55. It was fun to watch him make such a predictable leap in performance.
I've read a piece that Hitch wrote on Slowtwitch about MY training that factually incorrect. This one is also factually incorrect as well.
Dellinger's guys have run the 30th avenue all through the 80s and in the early 90s as well. I know because I jumped in those workouts a few times. I'm assuming the 30th Avenue drill was part of the program all the way through the 90s too.
injurybug wrote:
This guy is a complete nut job. He claims to have run 250+ mile weeks but doesn't record mileage...he claims to have been on sub 2 marathon pace through 26 miles before passing out...the guy basically had a psychotic break and ran away from his family, he is totally delusional.
He also had high school records that lasted over 40 years. He won 11 out of 12 NCAA championships he competed in, and he set world and U.S. records. Those are "recorded".
yes and then he flipped his lid. he was a great runner for a short time and now he is a sideshow attraction.
He didn't record his mileage. The 250+ mile week figure came from Ron Clarke's book. He interviewed Gerry about his running and estimated his mileage based on what he said he did. Even then that week was not ordinary. If you know anything at all about running you know your weekly mileage is going to vary. If you do have the same mileage week after week then you're probably not very good. Obviously Gerry could have lied to Clarke about his running though. And he obviously lied about the sub 2 marathon pace. From what I've read, I don't think he lied about his mileage, I just think that jackasses have misunderstood his high week as being his average week. As for the marathon thing, it's probably a lie he told to in person to a few admirers who will believe anything and has now been put online and gotten out of hand so he has to keep on going with it. And about running away from his family, I'm not a psychiatrist, psychologist, or expert on human behavior in any way, but just look at his past. He ran to get away from a terrible home life when he was a kid. If he was dissatisfied with his marriage, wouldn't it make sense to run away from that too? I'm absolutely not defending what he did but the explanation seems pretty obvious.
Thank you for the insight Malmo.
Glad to hear the tradition continued on. And indeed I try to critically analyze most things that I read. I had originally read that article to learn more about Nenow, and had remembered the note about the 30th Ave drill as an afterthought.
Pretty amazing how there are so many different training philosophies and approaches, yet they all boil down to the most basic truisms of running. Both Gerry's and Oregon's workouts seem to accomplish similar goals. There are countless workouts and types of running aimed to help runners accomplish basic running goals:
-To run faster for long, run faster for longer.
-To train for a fast start in a race, run a fast start in training.
-To finish strong, practice finishing strong.
Running can be complicated, or it can be simple.