I've been thinking about it and I really believe that, as good as recent times are by men on the track, women have far surpassed those accomplishments.
Do you guys agree or disagree?
I've been thinking about it and I really believe that, as good as recent times are by men on the track, women have far surpassed those accomplishments.
Do you guys agree or disagree?
Depends on your reference point. In the marathon, how many minutes are the men and the women behind Geb and Paula's times?
long sox wrote:
Depends on your reference point. In the marathon, how many minutes are the men and the women behind Geb and Paula's times?
Let's say in comparison to competitiveness on the world level. Medals, high placing finishes in golden/diamond league races and marathons too.
I'd count any races from 800-marathon.
Since 2007
800: 8 sub 2s in the last couple years, so I think they're further along than guys in that.
1500/mile: mens milers are looking good, but with Rowbury's medal, it's hard to argue with that success.
5000: Teg was 4th in 2007, Lagat is a world champ, it appears the men have one this one and rightfully so with the full out attack on sub 13 the last two years
10000: Solinsky's 26:59 puts him high on the world list, however, Flanagan's bronze in 2008 and Goucher's bronze in 2007 have to be better than this from a racing standpoint. I think when Solinsky races a championship 10k we might see a medal.
Marathon: I'd say they're about the same, except for Meb's NYC win. Point goes to men.
women 3
men 2
I don't think that the depth of Africans on the women's side is as high as it is on the men's side. There are constantly Kenyan and Ethiopian men running for prize money at road races around where I live. It's pretty rare that you see an elite East-African woman (at least in my region). I would imagine that this ratio would carry through into the top levels of the sport.
I think that both the American men and women have made great strides and deserve recognition. It's hard to say who's further along.
African women as a whole haven't caught up yet with Western women. This directly relates to the status of African women in their society as compared to the status Western women hold. As African women achieve more equality they will as a whole surpass Western women, just as the African men did years ago.
Why is everyone talking about Africans?
supaflyers wrote:
Why is everyone talking about Africans?
We're saying that comparing the American men's performances to the American women's performances is more difficult than just counting medals at major championships. When the depth in East African women's running reaches the depth of the East African men, American women are going to have a harder time winning medals at global competitions.
If you're only going to look at medals won, then I think that, currently, you'd have to give the nod to the American women.
US has collected top meets and major thons. Meb, Lagat, Shalane, Kara. Seems even between men and women.
1 vote for women
Another vote for women BY FAR
In the last 10 or so years, Meb won an Oly Silver and has a NYC win, Bernard won 7? major medals as an American citizen, Shalane has an Oly Bronze and NYC top 3, Kara has a WC Bronze, Shannon has a WC Bronze. The US men are way head at the majors.
And Deena has a CHI win.
This would not even be a discussion if you eliminated east african imports.
US women going away.
Its a Mans World wrote:
And Deena has a CHI win.
Did she ever win at London?
Also she got a bronze when meb got a silver....AND she is white. All of our men's medalists are of foreign decent. Not to mention her performances in cross country(silver?)
Sorry I meant to say she got silver in xc TWICE
I guess women win.
and lets be honest, Meb's Olympic silver could have possibly been a bronze had somebody not been tackled...
Are American women FURTHER along
(not)Are the American women FARTHER along.
Farther=distance while further= degree..
supaflyers wrote:
Since 2007
800: 8 sub 2s in the last couple years, so I think they're further along than guys in that.
1500/mile: mens milers are looking good, but with Rowbury's medal, it's hard to argue with that success.
5000: Teg was 4th in 2007, Lagat is a world champ, it appears the men have one this one and rightfully so with the full out attack on sub 13 the last two years
10000: Solinsky's 26:59 puts him high on the world list, however, Flanagan's bronze in 2008 and Goucher's bronze in 2007 have to be better than this from a racing standpoint. I think when Solinsky races a championship 10k we might see a medal.
Marathon: I'd say they're about the same, except for Meb's NYC win. Point goes to men.
women 3
men 2
So all of a sudden Afican-born runners count?