Can they? for world records, american records, etc?
Can they? for world records, american records, etc?
I'm not sure of the track rules, but they can for road races as long as the same timing criteria applies. That means the event director has to get some timing equipment out on the course and provide two verifiable times. Obviously the "split" would also have to be certified.
For example we've had several requests to get a 15K split certified on a local half marathon so people could set 15K age group records en route.
At one time they could "if the proper elctronic equipment was set up at the enroute finish". There were examples of guys setting 1500 and mile WR's in the same race.
Correct - as long as another set of finish cameras can be set up at the proper point, then yes, an official record can be set en route to a longer race. Note - you actually have to finish the longer race. You can't just go through the intermediate gate and then step off.
Blathering Blatherskyte wrote:
You can't just go through the intermediate gate and then step off.
Interesting. I didn't know that point.
Not applicable in Track, for obvious reasons, but in Swimming, a lead off guy on a relay can set a WR.
The answer is yes & no on enroute records. Ken Young who's been keeping track of stats/records for over 30 years and can be found at
, does not accept enroute records. I've corresponded w/him about his stance and he's opposed for various reasons, none of which swayed me. I respect his position but feel he's wrong. He dismisses the fair-minded criteria others have for accepting the records which is a bit strong for me.
Every other records body accepts them - providing they meet acceptable criteria.
trailrunner67 wrote:
Not applicable in Track, for obvious reasons, but in Swimming, a lead off guy on a relay can set a WR.
There was a time in T&F that a lead-off runner could qualify to nationals. This was indoor. I don't know if outdoor had the same rule. It was a time that there was a bit of an honor system to qualifying.
Jesse Owens set 6 world records in one day.
Two of them were en route.
He broke the 220 yard record in a time that was faster than the 200 meter record so his time also counted as a 200 meter record.
He did it again in the 220 yard hurdles.
That's 4 records in 2 races.
He also broke the 100 yard record and the long jump record that day.
Mile races will often have official timing devices at the 1500m mark.
These en route results can count for IAAF qualifying standards towards the Olympics or World Championships.
If someone didn't finish the race, the interim result should still stand.
It would be hard for a relay lead off to set a record because they usually handoff before reaching the full distance.
Interim distances not coinciding with the start cannot count for record purposes.
Wang Junxia smashed the 5000 m world record in the second half of her 10,000m world record performace but it could not count as a record.
I watched a guy, Stephan Franke, who tried to break the 25 and 30k WR in the same shot. He missed the 25k by 3 seconds (I think he ran 1:12:57). Guess he should have worked his doping program a bit more.
I think Geb broke a few enroute records when competing in an hour run.
I've seen in high school people breaking the 3000m record while they ran the 3200m.
Seen as though there has been so much talk about Josh Cox almost breaking my 50km record I thought I would let all know that my 50km world record was set on route to me winning the Two Oceans 56km race in record time.
The answer is yes & no on enroute records. Ken Young who's been keeping track of stats/records for over 30 years and can be found at
, does not accept enroute records. I've corresponded w/him about his stance and he's opposed for various reasons, none of which swayed me. I respect his position but feel he's wrong. He dismisses the fair-minded criteria others have for accepting the records which is a bit strong for me.
Every other records body accepts them - providing they meet acceptable criteria.
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That Ken Young guys World records are completely off. Just seeing the first two Age Group Marathon World Records for Tennessee I can tell everything is completely off. I personally knew a kid in Junior High who ran faster than 8:39 for a Marathon at 12(and he lived IN TN and raced in TN) and in the L.A. Marathon/ other Marathons i've seen faster results from similar ages.
That 11 year old kid World Record was off to. I remember running a race and actually seeing on the results a kid who ran 4:27 and was from Tennessee, so once again completely off. I decided to not even waste my time on looking at the other states or scrolling down even more it was so off. Someone tell him to correct his WRS.