Should the country be split in two?

We had a chance back in 1861 but Lincoln had a hissy fit so 600,000 Americans died.

Hmm... a sectional divide because of irreconcilable differences on important issues... didn't we try this 150 years ago or so? Remind me how that went.

Either way, this implies that you can just draw a line down the country and get all the liberals on one side and the conservatives on the other. Even though California is a very blue state, I'm sure there are plenty of gun-toting Tea Partiers just like there are likely tons of Prius-driving hippies in Texas. Additionally, most of the country does not adopt a single party's position on every issue, but is split depending on the question (ie. somebody who supports gay marriage but opposes ending tax cuts for the wealthy)

Tangled up in Blue wrote:

Hmm... a sectional divide because of irreconcilable differences on important issues... didn't we try this 150 years ago or so? Remind me how that went.

Either way, this implies that you can just draw a line down the country and get all the liberals on one side and the conservatives on the other. Even though California is a very blue state, I'm sure there are plenty of gun-toting Tea Partiers just like there are likely tons of Prius-driving hippies in Texas. Additionally, most of the country does not adopt a single party's position on every issue, but is split depending on the question (ie. somebody who supports gay marriage but opposes ending tax cuts for the wealthy)

agreed. Its been shown in many polls that most americans are not in one camp or the other but that many are in the middle.

Split it into 3:

The blue states on the West Coast, or CalOreWash

The blue states on the East Coast, or YanksSoxDirtyBirds

Everything inbetween, herein referred to as Poland.

CalOreWash might still be the world #1 Track power and we won't have to share the medals any more.

talk to people in cal-ore-wash, aside from texas they are probably the most adamant group of "separatists" you'll find in this country. intense pride in their land. ive heard the name "cascadia" banded about quite a bit in my travels there. usually, they do not want to include southern california, but do want to include idaho and montana.

Cascadia, Bowash, Poland. Great.

We don't need anymore walls and boundaries between peoples. true progress is to tear down those walls, you gorbachevs of letsrun. a civil clash of ideals is good. what is happening now is that the media conglomerates perpetuate a culture where zero real discussion or compromise is evinced by our politicians or our people. we are a country - and largely a world - of vastly uneducated people fighting to see who can scream the loudest. logical progress would be a paradigm shift - stop trusting what you hear on the news, and stop allowing popular opinion and popular culture to mold your intellect and personality. then, when we have a nation of thoughtful, considerate, and well-informed individuals acting with genuine good intention, our differences would be worked out.

until that day, we will remain in the cesspoolp-slaughterhouse-half civilization-red vs. blue divide which we find ourselves mired in today.

Check out f***thesouth.com. You know how to fill in the *'s.

Dealing with reasonable people who have different opinions improves us all.

You people do know that a HEAVILY red state votes like 55% Republican (i.e. 45% Democrat), and vice versa for blue states. Most states do not even go that heavily one way or the other. There is no sectional fault line comparable to 1861.

And if you think America has any sort of sectional tensions (West Coast vs. East Coast, Southerners vs. Yankees) you have obviously never been to/read many books on Europe.

Ya know, I'm getting sick of these extremists on either side trying to dictate what I think. It's time for the Middle to Rise Up!!! Come on Middle guys! Rise up!

Hey Einstein wrote:

You people do know that a HEAVILY red state votes like 55% Republican (i.e. 45% Democrat), and vice versa for blue states. Most states do not even go that heavily one way or the other. There is no sectional fault line comparable to 1861.

I'm not so sure about your numbers. I picked the first Republican state I could think of, popped it into Google, and the ratio is much more extreme than your guess:

Besides, even a "Democrat" in Alabama is somewhere to the right of, say, California's most recent Republican Governor.

A few states like Idaho and Utah go over 70 percent Republican

einstein here wrote:

Hey Einstein wrote:

You people do know that a HEAVILY red state votes like 55% Republican (i.e. 45% Democrat), and vice versa for blue states. Most states do not even go that heavily one way or the other. There is no sectional fault line comparable to 1861.

I'm not so sure about your numbers. I picked the first Republican state I could think of, popped it into Google, and the ratio is much more extreme than your guess:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election_in_Alabama,_2004

Besides, even a "Democrat" in Alabama is somewhere to the right of, say, California's most recent Republican Governor.

Fine, maybe it is 60/40 or so in some states. The first two other heavily Republican (on the national level) states that I thought of were Mississippi and Texas. They went for McCain in 2008, 56 to 43 and 55 to 43 respectively. And don't underestimate California conservatives - ever heard of Ronald Reagan?

My point is that there are a lot of left wingers even in Alabama, and a lot of right wingers even in San Francisco, and nobody (or not many people) harbors ill will towards other sections of the country. At least not down in Dixie, where I'm from/

Ignorant Insane Idiot wrote:

A few states like Idaho and Utah go over 70 percent Republican

2008: Idaho, 61-36, McCain-Obama, Utah 62-34.

Yeah, the NaXis, Xionists, Tea Partyers, KKK, Gold Stders, Birthers, Jesus Freaks, 2nd Amendment freaks, and Anti-Choicers can pack up and move to NaXi Israel where they belong.

All this talk of polarization of America is complete BS made up by the MSM to make it look like they are showing all sides of an issue and that they are in this made up "center" of the political spectrum. Sure there are strong arguments, but the differences are petty. No "pro-gun" advocate is promoting the freedom to openly carry around a machine gun where ever they go. Nor is a gun control advocate promoting taking away guns from everyone. The real differences are actually marginal in the big scheme of things. Same with abortion, waging war, taxes and the economy.

For crying out loud, there was actually a bunch of noise just about the Bush tax cuts which is mostly about whether the top rate should be in the high 30s and or the low 30 percentile. That is the polarization? Its absurd.

The real problem is the mainstream media world has become very claustrophobic in its news reporting if there is any reporting at all. That is what is pissing people off. True conservative and progressives are actually starting to make common cause on this. If and when there is real polarization on real issues, then that will be a positive step forward.

johnny langenwanker wrote:

talk to people in cal-ore-wash, aside from texas they are probably the most adamant group of "separatists" you'll find in this country. intense pride in their land. ive heard the name "cascadia" banded about quite a bit in my travels there. usually, they do not want to include southern california, but do want to include idaho and montana.

Cascadia, Bowash, Poland. Great.

We're already working on it in the Northwest. If you fit the criteria, come join us.

i dont want to live in a world with liberals anymore

iXrael and if you are't a jew, they'll steal your money, jail, and rape your family