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15 years ago 01/21/2011 5:32am EST

1:42.60 2rA Koblenz 28 Aug 1985

1:42.65 1 Weltk Zürich 17 Aug 1988

1:42.80 1 OT New Orleans LA 24 Jun 1992

1:42.96 1 Koblenz 29 Aug 1984

1:43.10 1 Hengelo 14 Aug 1988

1:43.28 2 VD Bruxelles 24 Aug 1984

1:43.28 3 Weltk Köln 26 Aug 1984

1:43.33 3 Köln 25 Aug 1985

1:43.36 1rB Zürich 16 Aug 1995

1:43.39 1 Bislett Oslo 1 Jul 1989

1:43.43 3rA Weltk Zürich 21 Aug 1985

1:43.46 1rA Weltk Zürich 13 Aug 1986

1:43.51 2 Bislett Oslo 4 Jul 1992

1:43.59 1 Rieti 2 Sep 1984

1:43.70 1 Burnaby 5 Jun 1988

1:43.72 2 Sevilla 30 May 1990

1:43.73 1 GGala Roma 8 Jun 1994

1:43.74 2 OT Los Angeles CA 19 Jun 1984

1:43.84 2rA Berlin 23 Aug 1985

1:43.84 1 DNG Stockholm 1 Jul 1986

1:43.89 3 Bislett Oslo 22 Jul 1994

1:43.93 3r2 Durham NC 13 Jul 1996

1:43.96 1 OT Indianapolis IN 18 Jul 1988

1:43.97 3 FOT New Orleans LA 24 Jun 1992

1:43.97 3 OG Barcelona 5 Aug 1992

1:43.98 1 Koblenz 23 Aug 1989

1:44.00 1 NC Atlanta GA 19 Jun 1996

1:44.00 2s2 OG Atlanta GA 29 Jul 1996

1:44.01 1 NC Indianapolis IN 16 Jun 1985

1:44.01 1 Oslo 6 Jul 1991

1:44.02 1 Berlin 18 Aug 1989

1:44.03 1rA Zürich 4 Aug 1993

1:44.04 1 Indianapolis IN 10 Jun 1992

1:44.09 2 Hengelo 19 Jul 1987

1:44.19 2r1 Athletissima Lausanne 8 Jul 1992

1:44.21 7 OG Atlanta GA 31 Jul 1996

1:44.27 1 Lausanne 7 Jul 1993

1:44.43 2 Bruxelles 19 Aug 1988

1:44.51 3 Nice 13 Jul 1987

1:44.55 1 Rieti 4 Sep 1985

1:44.56 3rA Zipfer Linz 9 Jul 1997

1:44.57 3 Herc Monaco 7 Aug 1993

1:44.62 1 Pre Eugene OR 26 May 1996

1:44.64 1 Oslo 14 Jul 1990

1:44.64 1 Eagle Rock CA 11 May 1996

1:44.65 1 Burnaby 16 Jul 1984

1:44.65 1 Westwood CA 16 May 1987

1:44.65 1 Hengelo 12 Aug 1990

1:44.66 1 Baton Rouge LA 28 Jul 1985

1:44.67 2 NC Eugene OR 19 Jun 1993

1:44.68 1 Malmö 8 Aug 1988

1:44.72 1 Westwood CA 18 May 1985

1:44.72 2 London 11 Jul 1986

1:44.73 1 NC Eugene OR 21 Jun 1986

1:44.73 1 Zipfer Linz 21 Aug 1996

1:44.74 3 Berlin 27 Aug 1993

1:44.78 1 Bruxelles 30 Aug 1985

1:44.79 2r2 VD Bruxelles 25 Aug 1995

1:44.80 2 Köln 17 Aug 1986

1:44.80 5 OG Seoul 26 Sep 1988

1:44.81 4rA Zürich 22 Aug 1984

1:44.83 3 New York NY 15 Jun 1991

1:44.84 1 Jenner San José CA 30 May 1992

1:44.91 1 Herc Monaco 2 Aug 1988

1:44.96 1 Gtech Inv Atlanta GA 18 May 1996

1:45.00 1 Sindelfingen 8 Mar 199

15 years ago 01/21/2011 5:39am EST

re: malmo

Remarkable that Said Aouita had back-to-back wins over Jaochim Cruz and Johnny gray in 1988.

8/19/88 Bruxelles vs Gray

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvLNzr1vX1w&feature=related

8/21/88 Koln vs Cruz

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-Dh8kdnd2c&feature=related

15 years ago 01/21/2011 5:48am EST

re: malmo

This is pretty amazing. Had no idea he had broken it that many times. I am assuming no other American is close to that. I wonder how many times guys like Coe broke it. I am sure I can look it up, just being lazy right now.

15 years ago 01/21/2011 5:49am EST

re: malmo

The vid of his 1'42.65 in Zurich is up.It shows he basically ran the whole race solo from the front with the pacer many yards ahead & offering no drafting.Run that race again ideally with Johnny in close attendance to pacer to the bell & he possibly could have gone close to 1'42-flat ( at 1s/lap advantage from drafting from here :http://users.erols.com/jimsue/running/racing/drafting.htm

Pugh also showed that at the speeds at which middle-distance track events are run (6 m/s or about 67 seconds per 400m), about 8% of the runner's energy is used in overcoming air resistance. But by running directly behind a leading runner (or drafting) at a distance of about 1 m, the athlete can save 80% of that energy. In a middle-distance race this would be equivalent to a savings of about 4 seconds per lap. However, Pugh considers it unlikely that in practice the following athletes would ever be able to run as close to the lead runner to benefit to this extent. By running slightly to the side of the lead runner, the following runner would probably benefit by about 1 second per lap.
"Another researcher to study the benefits of drafting was Californian Chester R. Kyle (1979). His calculations suggest that at world-record mile pace, a runner running 2 m behind the lead runner would save about 1.66 seconds per lap, which generally confirms Pugh's estimations
)

I think that 1'42.60pb underestimates his talent

15 years ago 01/21/2011 5:55am EST

re: malmo

As a side note the 1:45.00 from Sindelfingen in 1992 was indoors

15 years ago 01/21/2011 5:59am EST

re: ventolin^3

15 years ago 01/21/2011 6:22am EST

re: malmo

One of the great unsung careers. Gray does not get half the accolades he deserves. Just didn't have a blazing last 150m.

15 years ago 01/21/2011 6:48am EST

re: Hell in a handbasket

Malmo did you delete your facebook profile?

15 years ago 01/21/2011 6:54am EST

re: Vinny the Microwave

Man Lands on the Moon!

15 years ago 01/21/2011 7:25am EST

Now I am even more impressed seeing that list. Guys like Coe would have run quite a few more, but he was also a miler. It seems like most of the guys on the list were 800 specialists only, as opposed to 800/1500 types.

15 years ago 01/21/2011 7:58am EST

re: Sebby

Sebby wrote:
Now I am even more impressed seeing that list. Guys like Coe would have run quite a few more, but he was also a miler. It seems like most of the guys on the list were 800 specialists only, as opposed to 800/1500 types.

I wouldn't expect Coe to have anywhere near that. Gray raced anyone, anytime. Coe controlled when he raced and who he allowed to be in those races.

15 years ago 01/21/2011 8:00am EST

re: malmo

malmo wrote:
Sebby wrote:
Now I am even more impressed seeing that list. Guys like Coe would have run quite a few more, but he was also a miler. It seems like most of the guys on the list were 800 specialists only, as opposed to 800/1500 types.
I wouldn't expect Coe to have anywhere near that. Gray raced anyone, anytime. Coe controlled when he raced and who he allowed to be in those races.

In re-reading my post, it may have looked like I said Coe would have run quite a few more than Gray, but I just meant that he would have run more than the 23 he did, simply because he was also running the mile/1500 a lot. I don't think he would have run as many as Kipketer or Gray.

15 years ago 01/21/2011 8:03am EST

re: malmo

That is some serious running.

My PR is 1:49 and I know I didn't break 2:00 65 times.

15 years ago 01/21/2011 9:05am EST

re: toro

He had a very long career at the highest level. Very much like Bubka.

15 years ago 01/21/2011 9:11am EST

re: Sebby

Sebby wrote:
In re-reading my post, it may have looked like I said Coe would have run quite a few more than Gray, but I just meant that he would have run more than the 23 he did, simply because he was also running the mile/1500 a lot. I don't think he would have run as many as Kipketer or Gray.

Oh yeah, I'm sure he would have run more than 23, but probably not as much as you think he would. Coe raced sparingly.

Here are the totals in the Tilastopaja database for Gray, Coe, Cruz, Barbosa, Kipketer and Rudisha.

Wilson Kipketer

Total results in db: 125

By event:

400 m: 1

600 m: 1

800 m: 116 (75 sub 1:45.00)

1000 m: 5

One Mile: 1

4 x 400 m: 1

Johnny Gray

Total results in db: 110

By event:

600 y: 1

600 m: 2

800 m: 106 (65)

1000 m: 1

Jose Luiz Barbosa

Total results in db: 85

By event:

400 m: 1

600 m: 1

800 m: 72 (38)

1000 m: 3

1500 m: 6

4 x 400 m: 2

David Rudisha

Total results in db: 63

By event:

400 m: 7

800 m: 54 (24)

4 x 400 m: 2

Seb Coe

Total results in db: 74

By event:

400 m: 1

800 m: 41 (23)

1000 m: 4

1500 m: 22

One Mile: 5

2000 m: 1

Mike Boit

Total results in db: 57

By event:

800 m: 26 (22)

1000 m: 8

1500 m: 16

One Mile: 4

2000 m: 1

3000 m: 1

5000 m: 1

Joaquim Cruz

Total results in db: 53

By event:

800 m: 34 (21)

1000 m: 6

1500 m: 12

One Mile: 1

15 years ago 01/21/2011 9:41am EST

re: Sebby

Sebby wrote:
This is pretty amazing. Had no idea he had broken it that many times. I am assuming no other American is close to that. I wonder how many times guys like Coe broke it. I am sure I can look it up, just being lazy right now.

No, way he came close to that record

I wonder if Gray has the most sub 1:45's I reckon he might

15 years ago 01/21/2011 9:42am EST

re: malmo

The 1:43.97 for 3rd at the '92 OT was actually run by Jose Parrilla. Gray's winning 1:42.80 is also included in your list.

malmo wrote:
1:43.97 3 FOT New Orleans LA 24 Jun 1992
1:43.97 3 OG Barcelona 5 Aug 1992
1:43.98 1 Koblenz 23 Aug 1989

15 years ago 01/21/2011 10:11am EST

re: ??

I really think if LRC was around during Johnny Gray's time, this community would have ripped him to shreds.

He always ran fast, but it always seemed like he didn't race tactically well, and choked in some of the highest profile races of his career.

It would have been undeserved, but LRC would have been all over this guy.

15 years ago 01/21/2011 10:18am EST

re: Mojo Jerkin

So you decided post that people would have posted that he choked and that the negativism would be undeserved.

15 years ago 01/21/2011 10:37am EST

re: malmo

It's not just the quantity of the quality that is so amazing as it is the duration of the quality. I.e., sub-1:43 8 years apart ('84 & '92, sub-1:44 12 years apart ('84 & '96).

It seems like he came out of nowhere in '84 -- from no marks below 1:45 until '84 all the way to sub-1:43 in that year. That is a huge, huge drop.

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