BrosJo, do you truly believe that Ryan Hall is the "finest" American-born marathoner of all time (front page quotation)?
Because he was born in Munich, I suppose we *could* say that Frank Shorter was not American-born; though it would be more accurate to say he wasn't "America-born"--he certainly was an American citizen at birth. Nevertheless, he's not the only one whom I'd put ahead of Hall.
Or did you mean *fastest*? If so, maybe you should write what you mean. "Finest," my ass.
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BrosJo, do you truly believe that Ryan Hall is the "finest" American-born marathoner of all time (front page quotation)?
Because he was born in Munich, I suppose we *could* say that Frank Shorter was not American-born; though it would be more accurate to say he wasn't "America-born"--he certainly was an American citizen at birth. Nevertheless, he's not the only one whom I'd put ahead of Hall.
Or did you mean *fastest*? If so, maybe you should write what you mean. "Finest," my ass.
It's a shame that the Brojos can't express their opinion without getting flamed by unanimous posters all over the place. You should be ashamed of yourself.
I, for one, think Ryan is a very fine man and a great marathoner, and I think you should keep your Ryan Hall-hate-evangelism to yourself.
Yeah, because we all know how "great" a 2:06 marathon is compared to the rest of the world.
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It's a shame that the Brojos can't express their opinion without getting flamed by unanimous posters all over the place. You should be ashamed of yourself.
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You do understand that there is a difference between finest and fastest, don't you. I don't think there would be too many knowledgeable people that would call Ryan the finest American marathoner. Hard to beat a gold medal ro some of the other resumes of our past marathoners. I like Ryan Hall; doesn't mean he is the best. And I don't think the Brojos really believe he is the finest, I think they meant to say fastest. Big difference.
sebby wrote:
You do understand ...
Just for your information, beginning your post with "You do know..." or "You do understand..." has been banned permanently as being both arrogant and juvenile.
Thank you.
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Wikipedia says he was born in kirkland washington.
Not the "finest". Take away his 2:06 and you get a 2:08/2:09 guy.
Strictly speaking American born marathoner, Bill Rodgers is by far the best. His 2:09:27 PR compares to Hall's 2:08:40 non London PR. Plus waaaaaay more wins, world rank #1's, waaaay more races. All this in the "amateur" era without the cushy shoe contracts, and with "only" 1970's sports medicine, waaay less PED available.
Bill Rodger's record at his peak:
# 1975 Boston (2:09:55) 1st American Record (AR)
# 1975 Enschede Marathon, Holland (DNF)
# 1975 Fukuoka Marathon (2:11:26) 3rd
# 1976 Olympic Trials (2:11:58) 2nd
# 1976 Montreal Olympics (2:25:14) 40th
# 1976 NYC (2:10:10) 1st CR
# 1976 Sedo Island, Japan (2:08:23) 1st CR (200 meters short)
# 1976 Maryland (2:14:28) 1st CR
# 1977 Kyoto, Japan (2:14:25) 1st
# 1977 Boston (DNF)
# 1977 Amsterdam, Holland (2:12:46) 1st CR
# 1977 Waynesboro (2:25:12) 1st
# 1977 NYC (2:11:28) 1st
# 1977 Fukuoka (2:10:55) 1st
# 1978 Boston (2:10:13) 1st
# 1978 NYC (2:12:12) 1st
# 1978 Fukuoka (2:12:53) 6th
# 1979 Boston (2:09:27) 1st AR
# 1979 Montreal (2:22:12) 15th
# 1979 NYC (2:11:42) 1st
# 1980 Boston (2:12:11) 1st
# 1980 Toronto (2:14:47) 1st
# 1980 NYC (2:13:20) 5th
# 1981 Houston-Tennaco (2:12:10) 1st CR
# 1981 Boston (2:10:34) 3rd
It seems like a terrible description of Hall to me. Though I have no doubt I would disagree with Ryan Hall on almost everything were I to meet him, he is certainly an incredible athlete. However, let's stop focusing on where he was born. Why can't he just be considered "one of the best American marathoners ever"? Throw him in the pot with Shorter, Rodgers, Keflezighi, Khannouchi, etc. It's too objective to label him the "finest".
sebby wrote:
[quote]someone else wrote:
It's a shame that the Brojos can't express their opinion without getting flamed by unanimous posters all over the place. You should be ashamed of yourself.
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You do understand that there is a difference between finest and fastest, don't you. I don't think there would be too many knowledgeable people that would call Ryan the finest American marathoner. Hard to beat a gold medal ro some of the other resumes of our past marathoners. I like Ryan Hall; doesn't mean he is the best. And I don't think the Brojos really believe he is the finest, I think they meant to say fastest. Big difference.
First of all, questions usually require the use of a question mark. Secondly, why would you question what they have to say? Perhaps they really think he is the "finest." They're not wrong simply because you disagree. It's an opinion, so it's relative. The Brojos can think what they want and it shouldn't make a difference to you.
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Yeah, because we all know how "great" a 2:06 marathon is compared to the rest of the world.
Ryan Hall would be in the current top 100 in the world, if not the top 50, correct? How is that not great?
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sebby wrote:You do understand ...
Just for your information, beginning your post with "You do know..." or "You do understand..." has been banned permanently as being both arrogant and juvenile.
Thank you.
This has been a public service announcement.
You do understand that I really don't care what you think. If someone doesn't understand what the original post was about and I have to explain it to him, I will start with "you do understand".
Ryan Hall would be in the current top 100 in the world, if not the top 50, correct? How is that not great?
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I'm saying on a world level compared to other countries he would get destroyed. He gets more attention than any other American runner and probably more than any other runner, yet his achivements wouldn't even make him better than someone such as Yonas Kifle or Viktor Rothlin(who is not an African by the way). I mean, he gets waay to much attention for his times. Don't get me wrong, his times are impressive and he has a lot of talent, but just because he's a U.S. athlete doesn't mean he is going to really accomplish anything in a major marathon.
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First of all, questions usually require the use of a question mark. Secondly, why would you question what they have to say? Perhaps they really think he is the "finest." They're not wrong simply because you disagree. It's an opinion, so it's relative. The Brojos can think what they want and it shouldn't make a difference to you.
I am really ashamed of myself for not remembering the question mark. How embarrassing is that??????? You got me good.
Also, I understand everyone is entitled to their opinion. However, sometimes that opinion is just plain wrong unless you are one of those few who continue to believe that since someone was faster than someone 20 or 40 years ago, they are therefore better. The rest of us realize an Olympic Gold Medal is worth more than not coming close to a medal. Ryan may win a medal someday, but he hasn't yet. These are called facts. Hard to argue opinion on something that is factual. Yes you can tell me your opinion is that the earth is flat, but that doesn't make it so and it makes you look kind of silly, don't you think???????
Those Brojo's are sly. The only way they could use the word "finest" was to add the "American Born" category, because Frank Shorter is the "Finest" American Marathon in history and Meb is currently the "Finest" American Marathoner.
Although Ritz does have the "finest" marathoning form, for an "American who recently changed his Stride".
By the way, what is wrong with the original poster giving his opinion? Why are you defending the Brojos opinion and then flaming the OP for his opinion?
sebby wrote:
You do understand that I really don't care what you think. If someone doesn't understand what the original post was about and I have to explain it to him, I will start with "you do understand".
Only for a short while more. Eventually you will realize that starting your posts this way is indeed arrogant and juvenile and that nobody uses this phrase anymore. As this sinks in you will inevitably drop this habit of obnoxiousness for whatever is the next juvenile wording fad. It is just that you are a bit slower than others to catch on. But you will.
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sebby wrote:You do understand that I really don't care what you think. If someone doesn't understand what the original post was about and I have to explain it to him, I will start with "you do understand".
Only for a short while more. Eventually you will realize that starting your posts this way is indeed arrogant and juvenile and that nobody uses this phrase anymore. As this sinks in you will inevitably drop this habit of obnoxiousness for whatever is the next juvenile wording fad. It is just that you are a bit slower than others to catch on. But you will.
You do understand how condescending you sound in this post, don't you?
I thought it was well known the Brojos are idiots.
Ryan Hall is significantly faster than Viktor Rothlin. The only non-african runners that have run faster than him are Ronaldo da Costa and Toshinari Takaoka (if you consider Khalid "african" like I do)
Hall has proven to be competitive on the world stage, something no other American Marathoner can claim right now, except Meb.
I hate this site. People know what someone meant to write then pretend they don't understand and continue to flip out like that person insulted their mother.