Salazar quote

Name wrote:

80 to 110 is an acceptable jump for one year but 110 to 120 needs to be done gradually over a few years?

I'm not sure what's right, but I would guess Salazar knows what he's talking about.

1. Next year is an Olympic year

2. Rupp won't be averaging 110 in 2011

3. Next year is an Olympic year

4. Rupp's been in the 80 range for awhile, running 70-80. Sal's probably giving him a bit of a jump now, then let his body catch up a bit before jumping up to 120+ for marathon training.

5. Next year is an Olympic year

6. Lots more going on in training

7. Next year is an Olympic year

I hate how people think you need to gradually build up into higher mileage in the way like that.

Give me a f***ing break dude is what 24 25? Time is more than over for you to start training how you want to.

You think the Kenyans and ethiopians wait that long to go into high mileage? f*** no, they jump up to high mileage all the time.

I was super injury prone in college and never did more than 50 or 60 miles a week.

It wasn't until I just said f*** it and immediately started a training plan of doing 110 miles a week (no gradual buildup bullshit needed) that I actually stopped getting injured, and my times were on a whole new level. I've never felt more injury free than when I'm actually getting a huge base training phase in. Doing low mileage actually makes you more injury prone, this is somewhat counter intuitive but not really if you study classic lydiard training.

I do agree with you in general, but I think the main reason Alberto is holding Galen back is to avoid the kind of burnout he had in his career. Alberto ran very high mileage and ramped it up very quickly, and was successful for a short period of time but then crashed and his career was over. That's why he said in the interview that "high mileage brings short term success". Disagree with it if you want, but he is Galen's coach.

I think in this thread malmo brings up some good points about mileage buildup:

"I wouldn’t now. But lets make it clear, we never heard of ten percent rules, we just went out and ran. The physics of low-impact aerobic training (mileage) was no different then than now. However, the psychology of low impact training has made a dramatic turn. Anyone who abides by the so-called ten percent rule is like a little kid playing with his food. If you want your dessert just eat your food and eat it now."

and

"If only I had a dollar for every stubborn athlete that claimed increasing mileage (by default a low impact activity) would cause burnout or injury, yet turn around and do the same damn stupid things I've seen over and over again: 1) disproportionate long runs, 3) too hard and too few tempo runs, 3) trying to "keep up" in interval sessions."

shoe guy wrote:

I think in this thread malmo brings up some good points about mileage buildup:

http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=3422852&page=0

Thanks for the link. Everything said in the thread made such perfect sense to me that I found myself bothered that I didn't already know what seems so easy to understand.

80 miles/week can be accomplished with mostly singles.

An 80 mile/week base, on mostly singles, can easily become 110 with the addition of doubles.

However, 110 miles to 120-130 miles week becomes not only doubles, but also extending the primary run as well as the secondary run, thus the additional stress and difficulty of training 120-130 miles/week.

Salazar said he AVERAGED 80 mi/week for the year 2010, that means, over the WHOLE YEAR, Rupp's AVERAGE mileage was 80 mi/week

Salazar then said that Rupp is doing 110 mi/week NOW, not as an average, not over the whole year. So later, at the end of 2011, when they average out how much mileage Rupp did per week for the whole year of 2011, it might be more like 90 or something much less than 110.

You're comparing the average of a whole year to what someone is specifically doing for a short amount of time this year(no, not for the whole year). apples and oranges.

Are you guys that dumb? He AVERAGED 80 mpw. He had weeks of 100+... but he also had a summer where he was probably averaging 40-50 while racing. So running 110 is not new.

My bet, he AVERAGES closer to 90-95 this year and 100-105 next year with many weeks at 110 this year and many weeks at 115-120 next year. Last year I'm sure he had many weeks at 100.

Running 110 is not a huge jump for Rupp. Do you really think he just runs 80mpw every week all year without variation?

Read the attached article about Kennedy and figure out his average mpw when he was at his past, his max and min. If you map out a likely week by week training plan for BK given what he offers in the article (i.e. build up, ramp down, etc) you'll find its about 80 with a max of 140. Racing season is very low... about 50 mpw.

http://www.duathlon.com/articles/215

hahaha... irun... you and I are on the exact same page. Not sure how people can be quite so dumb.

Take your own advice and use your brain, if they're talking about averaging 80 miles a week and jumping up to average 110 miles a week then the jump is still the same if not more

Rakanishu,

You need to use someone else's brain because yours is obviously insufficient to understand what, apparently, only a few of us on this board are able to easily comprehend.

Alberto said Rupp's highest 10-week stretch of miles last year averaged 90 miles a week. He then said, "This year we're doing 110 now and he's already feeling a lot stronger. Someday he'll be at 120 or 130. Not next year. We'll do it gradually."

Salazar was saying that of all of last year's training, Rupp's week mileage averaged out to 80 miles a week.

Then he said that, RIGHT NOW(meaning this time of the year- NOT THE WHOLE YEAR!), Rupp is running 110 miles/week. This does not mean his yearly average is going to be 110 miles/week. He's only running 110 miles per week for a short period of the year, say 8 - 10 weeks.

If you still don't understand, please do not repost. Just go sit in a corner and drool.

What you see here is what is wrong with getting advice from most posters on this website.

If you listen to the entire interview, you see that the mileage discussion is just a tiny part of what Salazar said, and even that was more or less forced on him. Salazar talked more about Rupp doing intervals for months going into the race, doing several indoor races (not one or two), and taking a break of 2 weeks COMPLETELY off and two weeks of jogging before building up for 5 months for outdoors.

Salazar also talked about long-term development, going from a 10-week period of 90 (maximum from last year) to 110 now. This is not that huge of a jump, and then a very gradual move to 120 or 130 over years.