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    • Webb Update
      • Rupp and Webb update 12/28/2010 8:49PM
      • Webb Update
      • Saw this posted here: http://trackfocus.com/usa-xc/r...m-building


        Question for 2011 on Webb and Rupp. What kind of times will they run and who will have better seasons between Wheating and Webb and also between Solinsky and Rupp?
        Webb and Rupp running in the long shadows cast by Wheating and Solinsky in the same state.
    • ryan foreman
      • RE: Rupp and Webb update 12/28/2010 9:41PM - in reply to Webb Update
      • ryan foreman
      • Rupp will be right with Solinsky by this summer. Rupp will definitely run sub 27 and and sub 13 by the end of the year barring any injury. Rupp just needs to up his mileage, and he is according to AlSal. Webb vs Wheating is more of a mystery.
    • Wondering in the West
      • RE: Rupp and Webb update 12/29/2010 2:05AM - in reply to
      • Wondering in the West
      • UO doesn't even have an indoor track, which I've always thought was odd. When they built the Mashofsky Center, they didn't put in a track, and they have a never-ending supply of money.
    • ken bob
      • RE: Rupp and Webb update 12/29/2010 3:11AM - in reply to lenny stotch
      • ken bob
      • lenny stotch wrote:
        SOFT!
        I can't help but agree with you, but then I haven't achieved anything close to what Webb, Rupp, and Al Sal have achieved.
    • fgfg
      • RE: Rupp and Webb update 12/29/2010 4:16AM - in reply to ken bob
      • fgfg
      • ken bob wrote:
        lenny stotch wrote:
        SOFT!
        I can't help but agree with you, but then I haven't achieved anything close to what Webb, Rupp, and Al Sal have achieved.
        That nugget was used by neville Chamberlain to apease Herr hitler
    • Shoebacca
      • RE: Rupp and Webb update 12/29/2010 6:02AM - in reply to
      • Shoebacca
      • I guess places don't build indoor tracks unless they actually need them. Eureka.
    • looks about
      • RE: Rupp and Webb update 12/29/2010 6:26AM - in reply to Shoebacca
      • looks about
      • Rupp will run race in Scotland, Millrose 2 miler, USATF XC, and USATF Indoors.

        Webb will run 1st Washington race, Boston Indoor Games, 2nd Washington race, and USATF indoors

        Solinsky USATF Indoors.

        We have Rupp, Solinsky, and Webb at USATF Indoors clashing!
    • ljajladf
      • RE: Rupp and Webb update 12/29/2010 8:58AM - in reply to danny k out of this world
      • ljajladf
      • The real question is who will be better this year in the 5k at Worlds? Solinsky or Tegenkamp? Why does everybody forget about TEG. He's back 100%. In the 10k I think Ritz and Rupp could both crack the top 6.
    • music is happiness
      • RE: Rupp and Webb update 12/29/2010 9:38AM - in reply to ljajladf
      • music is happiness
      • Lagat, Solinsky, Teg. If all are ready to go the USA 5K team at Worlds will all be sub-13 guys with a wealth of international racing experience.

        In the 1500 you have Wheating, Manzano, Lomong, and the resurrected Webb. At least one won't be competing in Daegu.
    • lsoidkjfjfj
      • RE: Rupp and Webb update 12/29/2010 11:34AM - in reply to ljajladf
      • lsoidkjfjfj
      • ljajladf wrote:
        The real question is who will be better this year in the 5k at Worlds? Solinsky or Tegenkamp? Why does everybody forget about TEG. He's back 100%.
        Teg hasn't done anything to my knowledge to show he's back 100%.
    • TrackCoach
      • RE: Rupp and Webb update 12/29/2010 2:08PM - in reply to music is happiness
      • TrackCoach
      • Webb is going to have difficulty finding a home.

        Webbs 800/1500 times last year shows that he is mended and is still a world class athlete, which under the circumstances is about all you could expect. However, making that leap back into the world-elite category is not going to be as automatic as some suspect. Webb's 1:43/3:30 came in his prime (age 25) and when he was at the top of his game. Webb right now is perhaps a 1:45/3:35 athlete and by all objective measures a 1 or 2 beyond his prime for a middle distance athlete. It Webbs gets down to 1:45/3:33 this year that would be a successful season.

        The problem is, the world has changed over the last 3 years, athletes are back to running sub-1:43/3:30 again, which is faster than Webb ran when he was at his best. Even in the U.S., you have Lomong, Wheating and Manzano who on average are 3 years younger than Webb, they are getting faster and they are already where Webb is trying to get to. These guys are not only good athletes, but they are good racers as well; good luck trying wrestle away a WC team slot from either one of these guys.

        The U.S. only has one legit 1:43x 800 runner in Nick, but we have about a half dozen young 20/21 800m runners who have run 1:45x and are projected to go 1:44 in 2011. Also, Lomong, Wheating and Manzano are primarily milers, but they are all capable of runnning 1:44x in the 800. Depending on the scheduling at the USATF Nationals, at least one, perhaps even 2 of these guys will look to double in the 800 to assure a spot on the WC team.

        In the 5000 you have a possible mix of Ritz, Teg, Rupp, Lagat and Solinski; they are all very good and for the first time ever, they are are all healthy. Good luck finishing top 3 among that group.

        In the 10000 you have perhaps the same guys mentioned above except Lagat and Teg, however, you don't know what event(s) Ritz, Rupp and Solinski will opt for. Throw Tim Nelson and Bobby Curtis in the mix as well. Also, if the rumors I am hearing is that Bob Cheseret is back in shape and that Chelanga's citizenship could be fast tracked; you have to add these names to the mix as possibilities.

        There are a slew of NCAA athletes like Centro, Fernandez , E-Heath, Ulrey, Puskedra, Fleet, Acosta and Derrick who have already run fast and may be ready to take that next step to world class.

        Even if Webb's successful comeback continues, there simply may not be a place for him.
    • WDOWTIN
      • RE: Rupp and Webb update 12/29/2010 2:21PM - in reply to TrackCoach
      • WDOWTIN
      • I actually disagree with you. I do not believe that Webb is
        at his peak or past it. I believe within another 3 to 5 years Webb will be peaked but not now.

        As it relates to his times (this outdoor season) don't be surprised if Webb is 3:45-46 for the mile; 3:28/29 for the 1500 and 1:43ish mid or low this year.

        As it relates to the 5000 if Webb runs it at the end of the season do not be surprised to see a 12:52-12:58 range.

        I know it is a championship season yet Webb will be in that type of shape and be capable of running those times -- I believe he is already in that type of shape and will run those times.

        And yes QUOTE ME ON THIS AND SAVE MY THREAD.
        ***All of this is of course baring any serious injuries or setbacks.

        If I am wrong I will be the first to say it and admit it yet I do not believe that will be the case.
    • betterbutter
      • RE: Rupp and Webb update 12/29/2010 3:20PM - in reply to TrackCoach
      • betterbutter
      • You, sir are an absolute moron. Wheating is the only runner inside the US who has a chance at touching Webb on the track in 2011. Lomong and Manzano, while great runners, will never approach Webb's previous times or those he will run in 2011. Lucky to be back at 1:45 and 3:33? WOW, you really underestimate Webb. He will be at 3:30 or better until 2011 is over. If he gets into enough and the right 800's he'll be at sub 1:45.

        His indoors will be 3:35-3:36-ish.


        TrackCoach wrote:
        Webb is going to have difficulty finding a home.

        Webbs 800/1500 times last year shows that he is mended and is still a world class athlete, which under the circumstances is about all you could expect. However, making that leap back into the world-elite category is not going to be as automatic as some suspect. Webb's 1:43/3:30 came in his prime (age 25) and when he was at the top of his game. Webb right now is perhaps a 1:45/3:35 athlete and by all objective measures a 1 or 2 beyond his prime for a middle distance athlete. It Webbs gets down to 1:45/3:33 this year that would be a successful season.

        The problem is, the world has changed over the last 3 years, athletes are back to running sub-1:43/3:30 again, which is faster than Webb ran when he was at his best. Even in the U.S., you have Lomong, Wheating and Manzano who on average are 3 years younger than Webb, they are getting faster and they are already where Webb is trying to get to. These guys are not only good athletes, but they are good racers as well; good luck trying wrestle away a WC team slot from either one of these guys.

        The U.S. only has one legit 1:43x 800 runner in Nick, but we have about a half dozen young 20/21 800m runners who have run 1:45x and are projected to go 1:44 in 2011. Also, Lomong, Wheating and Manzano are primarily milers, but they are all capable of runnning 1:44x in the 800. Depending on the scheduling at the USATF Nationals, at least one, perhaps even 2 of these guys will look to double in the 800 to assure a spot on the WC team.

        In the 5000 you have a possible mix of Ritz, Teg, Rupp, Lagat and Solinski; they are all very good and for the first time ever, they are are all healthy. Good luck finishing top 3 among that group.

        In the 10000 you have perhaps the same guys mentioned above except Lagat and Teg, however, you don't know what event(s) Ritz, Rupp and Solinski will opt for. Throw Tim Nelson and Bobby Curtis in the mix as well. Also, if the rumors I am hearing is that Bob Cheseret is back in shape and that Chelanga's citizenship could be fast tracked; you have to add these names to the mix as possibilities.

        There are a slew of NCAA athletes like Centro, Fernandez , E-Heath, Ulrey, Puskedra, Fleet, Acosta and Derrick who have already run fast and may be ready to take that next step to world class.

        Even if Webb's successful comeback continues, there simply may not be a place for him.
    • TrackCoach
      • RE: Rupp and Webb update 12/29/2010 5:47PM - in reply to betterbutter
      • TrackCoach
      • [quote]betterbutter wrote:
        You, sir are an absolute moron. Wheating is the only runner inside the US who has a chance at touching Webb on the track in 2011. Lomong and Manzano, while great runners, will never approach Webb's previous times or those he will run in 2011. Lucky to be back at 1:45 and 3:33? WOW, you really underestimate Webb. He will be at 3:30 or better until 2011 is over. If he gets into enough and the right 800's he'll be at sub 1:45.

        His indoors will be 3:35-3:36-ish.

        [quote]TrackCoach wrote:
        I hope you are correct; I hope Webb runs 1:42, 345, 329 and 12:52 this year. As fans of the sport, we always want the glass to be half full, but you are looking at it as overflowing. Webb is a tremendous talent and perhaps if he had never got hurt, he would have run those times by now. Webb ran 1:47/3:36 last year, 1:45/3:33/13:12 would be good progress this year. In fact I will say 1:44/3:32/13:05 for this year, but as much as I would like for it to happen, I can't see Webb's first full season coming off of an injury being the best season of his career. Webb is not old, but can't keep discussing his upside when all of the top guys in the 800/1500 last year were on average 23/24. In fact, Silas Kiplagat, Augustine Choge, Wheating, Greyson, Kemboi, Kiprop, Rudisha, Kaki and Lalang on average are only 22.3 years old.

        Webb is very talented and I think he will be back to his old self perhaps in 2012, but the only event I can see him setting a PR in this year is the 5000 or 3000.
    • eojtlc
      • RE: Rupp and Webb update 12/29/2010 8:07PM - in reply to betterbutter
      • eojtlc
      • [quote]betterbutter wrote:
        You, sir are an absolute moron. Wheating is the only runner inside the US who has a chance at touching Webb on the track in 2011. Lomong and Manzano, while great runners, will never approach Webb's previous times or those he will run in 2011. Lucky to be back at 1:45 and 3:33? WOW, you really underestimate Webb. He will be at 3:30 or better until 2011 is over. If he gets into enough and the right 800's he'll be at sub 1:45.

        His indoors will be 3:35-3:36-ish.


        No, I believe it is you who is the moron, I actually thought TrackCoach's post was very insightful and intelligent.

        Anyone who has tried to train at the type of level these guys are training at knows there is a big difference in what the body will do at 22-23 and 27-28. I don't know that Webb is beyond his prime, and I hope he runs better this year than he ever has, but saying he will do that for sure is an extremely bold statement. While I am not quite as pessimistic as Trackcoach, I think that 3:32, 1:44, and 13:05 would be very good results for Webb this year.