Why isn't Wheating training with Webb???

It's good that two fast guys train separately. That way when they compete head-to-head against each other they won't know what to expect. Much more interesting this way.

It's like playing Poker. You don't want your friends knowing every bluff you make.

I certainly understand that perspective. And of course I forgot the key thing: They have different Coaches. lol

But still, you kind of wonder what they might do if they worked together... But maybe they are anticipating some great duels in the future...

for one thing, wheating is faster right now. Webb is on a comeback and maybe after he gets back into his groove they could run some together but the 27:30 idea has some truth to it, i bet wheating couldn't run that, they are different kinds of runners.

Ya I mean Wheating is a broheme and Webb's just a schmuck.

Wheating is in Eugene and Webb is in Portland.

Because Webb probably doesn't want to hear about all of the different hotties that Wheating is tagging each night. Webb has to go home to Mrs. Webb, who looks the same each night.

Who is Wheating training with? I recall reading that it was with some other elite runners that are at a higher level than his Oregon teammates, but I forget the names.

Um, ever hear of Nick Symmonds?

He can run with Tyler Mulder, Russell Brown, Lachlan Renshaw, and Stephen Pifer.

55-60 isn't super light for a middle distance runner. Isn't that about what Webb runs? Wasn't Lagat low 70s in his prime? Coe was in that range also. The list of 1:44 800 guys under 50mpw is too long to list.60 miles of intense work is harder than jogging 100mp and will make you a better middle distance guy.

starmiler wrote:

I'm sure there's an answer for this. Is it because Webb's a 27:30-something 10K runner?

I was a little blown away to read this recent quote: "Wheating is still training with Lananna, and doing the same weekly mileage that he did in college — about 55-60 miles per week or what he calls “the bare minimum to be as good as I am.”

Is there some reason he train so lightly? Could Wheating one day be the Usain Bolt of middle-distance running, once he sets his sights higher?

I really don't know; I'm curious what people have to say about this.

LO F L!!

baltocityrules wrote:

Because Webb probably doesn't want to hear about all of the different hotties that Wheating is tagging each night. Webb has to go home to Mrs. Webb, who looks the same each night.

asdfasdfas wrote:

55-60 isn't super light for a middle distance runner. Isn't that about what Webb runs? Wasn't Lagat low 70s in his prime? Coe was in that range also. The list of 1:44 800 guys under 50mpw is too long to list.

60 miles of intense work is harder than jogging 100mp and will make you a better middle distance guy.

Jim Ryun often ran 100 mile weeks in high school and beyond

Obviously you can run bigger mileage and still be fast. I could come up with a list of guys that are as fast as the guys I listed that ran 100mpw instead of 60. It is impossible to say if the 60 mpw guys would be faster if they ran 100 mpw. It is also impossible to say if the 100 mpw guys ran 60 mpw if they would be faster.

altitude newbie wrote:

asdfasdfas wrote:

55-60 isn't super light for a middle distance runner. Isn't that about what Webb runs? Wasn't Lagat low 70s in his prime? Coe was in that range also. The list of 1:44 800 guys under 50mpw is too long to list.

60 miles of intense work is harder than jogging 100mp and will make you a better middle distance guy.

Jim Ryun often ran 100 mile weeks in high school and beyond

isn't he still in school and living in the dorm ?

asdfasdf wrote:

for one thing, wheating is faster right now. Webb is on a comeback and maybe after he gets back into his groove they could run some together but the 27:30 idea has some truth to it, i bet wheating couldn't run that, they are different kinds of runners.

also doesnt Webb have a faster 800m time than Wheating? I always forget how good Webb can be

altitude newbie wrote:

asdfasdfas wrote:

55-60 isn't super light for a middle distance runner. Isn't that about what Webb runs? Wasn't Lagat low 70s in his prime? Coe was in that range also. The list of 1:44 800 guys under 50mpw is too long to list.

60 miles of intense work is harder than jogging 100mp and will make you a better middle distance guy.

Jim Ryun often ran 100 mile weeks in high school and beyond

You sound like a newbie that is listening to the wrong crowd (mediocre marathoners).

This is what Ryun said in his own words

We were running maybe 50 or 60 miles a week, and they were pretty high-quality miles. We would run a lot of repeat quarters. One of the workouts was 40 times a quarter mile; 10 miles total, and we’d average 69 seconds a quarter in blocks of 10.

http://running.competitor.com/2010/11/interviews/the-best-ever-exclusive-interview-with-jim-ryun_17818

Webb was running ~50 mpw in HS and (except for the Michigan disaster) gradually moved up with Razcko to about 70 peak. Lagat told me in person (at the Boston Indoors a few years ago before he did any 5000s) that he was usually running about 50mpw. Coe was in the same range, and when El Guerrouj was in the 3:26 range his coach spoke in the UK and said he was running peak mileage of 75.

Along these same lines, Renato pointed out this week that Colm O'Connell's runners in Kenya at St. Patricks have run from 30mpw for 800 up to 60mpw (he said 100km) for long distances.

I remember reading in an article on Lagat that he rarely trains slower than 5:15 pace, even on his easy days. He's not jogging his 70mi weeks.

starmiler wrote:

Is there some reason he train so lightly? Could Wheating one day be the Usain Bolt of middle-distance running, once he sets his sights higher?

I really don't know; I'm curious what people have to say about this.

Next Usain Bolt?

Why, because he's white?

Does he hold any junior world records like Usian Bolt did?

You do know that there are about a half dozen Kenyans who are younger than him and have a faster PR than him. And they haven't spent the last five years in the premier middle distance college team. No, most of those guys have been running competetively for less than two years and will only get better.

Saying Wheating will be the next Usain Bolt is like saying the best white rookie in the NBA this year will be the next Michael Jordan.

starmiler wrote:

"Wheating is still training with Lananna, and doing the same weekly mileage that he did in college — about 55-60 miles per week or what he calls “the bare minimum to be as good as I am.”

I never understand this mentality. Unless you are the absolute best, why is being "as good as you are" acceptable? I thought running was about striving to be better than you are, not just "as good". Obviously Wheating is playing it safe as he has a lot of years ahead of him, but 55 miles a week is kind of a joke for someone who has been running for at least 5 or 6 years. I know it's different for him since he has money and a career on the line, but a lot of guys in college that are good as freshmen are afraid to run higher mileage because they want to just do what has been working. And then when they graduate you realize they either didn't improve at all or at least didn't reach their potential (and obviously the coaches are fine with low mileage as long as they're getting points). Why not take a risk and try to be as good as you can, especially if you're stopping after college?