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Simply the ability to maintain 73.94/400 for the duration of a marathon. But most probably can go sub-70 seconds if needed.
55 seconds or faster.
If you work out the correlation between a 1/4 mile on the dragstrip versus Lewis Hamilton on the Monaco circuit you should be able to work it out yourself
once you come up with the figure, divide it by 140 min and you'll have your answer
Being able to run 10 x 400m relaxed in 66, with the same type of stride you would use to run a marathon, that's more important. I bet one could do it with a 62 PR.
46.x
for a woman
I would take that bet in a heart beat. If your 400m pr is 62, you are not breaking 4:30 in the mile and no one runs the marathon 30s off mile pr pace. Very few can run 10k 30s off their mile pr. 54-55 is probably at the low end.
mustard wrote:
Being able to run 10 x 400m relaxed in 66, with the same type of stride you would use to run a marathon, that's more important. I bet one could do it with a 62 PR.
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Why would your 400 PR matter? What if I have 54 flat 400 speed, but have never actually run a fast 400 and have a PR of 58 that was set during a workout? Do I need to go out and set a faster PR before I have a shot at running 2:10? Of course not. My prospects for running 2:10 are the same whether I am a guy with 54 flat speed and a PR of 58, or I am a guy with 54 flat speed and a 54 flat PR. The 400 time that you have the ability to run might matter, but PR doesn't matter (aside from the fact that you would have to complete 400 meter segments of training runs at some given speed in training for a 2:10 marathon).
G*Power wrote:
55 seconds or faster.
Quite a bit slower than that, actually. There have been a few 2:10-ish runners who could barely break 60 for a 400.
Although this is a good response, I still think it's an amusing query. Surely a 2:10 marathon requires some minimum limit of fitness that can be indicated by a 400 time ... and all 2:10 marathoners are surely capable of running a 400 in 5x seconds, but I do wonder what the slowest 400 time of such a marathoner is...
I'd say sub-55.
How about listing some names and thier prs? Pretty much ever time this is done (for whatever distance you care about) the marathon is in different years (the last listed 5k is 4 years out of date) and the sprint time is from a workout
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G*Power wrote:55 seconds or faster.
Quite a bit slower than that, actually. There have been a few 2:10-ish runners who could barely break 60 for a 400.
I heard it said that Tony Sandoval, a 2:10 marathoner in late 70s-early 80s, was a 49-1:47 guy.
Benji Durden confided in me he'd broken 50, but stll thought it prudent to drop Hailu Ebba before entering the stadium.
I myself never broke 60,ran 2:46.
[quote]michael t. smith wrote:
Benji Durden confided in me he'd broken 50, but stll thought it prudent to drop Hailu Ebba before entering the stadium.
There is no way in Hell I believe that Benji ever broke 50 for a 1/4. I doubt that he could even approach 51 flat. I raced Benji plenty of times on the track and roads. He was not known as a kicker...at all.
[quote]dasfasd@hasd.com wrote:
I would take that bet in a heart beat. If your 400m pr is 62, you are not breaking 4:30 in the mile and no one runs the marathon 30s off mile pr pace. Very few can run 10k 30s off their mile pr. 54-55 is probably at the low end.
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Muscle profiles for Marathoners are bound to vary considerably, so there must be men with around 60 second one lap pace who could run 2.10
English runner Jeff Norman ran 2.12 with only 58 second 400 speed and he can't be unique in his muscle profile?
Muscle profiles vary. That doesn't imply that 60s/2:10 guy must exist. I am not even sure muscle profile is what you are looking for. There are some guys with huge slow twitch profiles who run in the low 50s.But lets look at Jeff Norman:400m: 58800m: 2:02.21500m: 4:03.93000m: 8:245000m: 14:3010000m: 29:5710 miles road: 48:201/2 Marathon: 63:35Marathon: 2:12:50Any of those numbers look fishy? Like the fact he runs the Half Marathon and 10k at pretty much the same pace? But between 1500m,3000m,5000m, and10k he shows the "normal" slow down of 10s a mile? And the same normal slow down occurs between HM and the Marathon. If I had to guess those track prs are all a couple of years older than the road ones. And who knows where that 400m pr comes from. Distance runner 400m times are BS in general.But lets ignore all that. Your guy didn't run 2:10 despite being 2 seconds faster than 60s. So you need to find a guy that has even better endurance and is slower.And finally 60s is slow. I would be surprised to find that most guys (20-30) that do a moderate amount of speed training couldn't break 60.
wellnow wrote:
[quote]dasfasd@hasd.com wrote:
I would take that bet in a heart beat. If your 400m pr is 62, you are not breaking 4:30 in the mile and no one runs the marathon 30s off mile pr pace. Very few can run 10k 30s off their mile pr. 54-55 is probably at the low end.
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Muscle profiles for Marathoners are bound to vary considerably, so there must be men with around 60 second one lap pace who could run 2.10
English runner Jeff Norman ran 2.12 with only 58 second 400 speed and he can't be unique in his muscle profile?
Don't be so cynical. There must be runners in Japan who have goen under 2.10 but can't go sub 60 for 400.
I think there are lots who when training for a 2:10 can't break 60. However if they trained only for the 400, down under 15 miles a week, they would run something like 56.XX.